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[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:00:50] About This Podcast
[00:03:14] Podcast Sponsors
[00:05:59] Video Version Available
[00:07:07] The Difference Between A “Building Biologist” And An EMF Shielding Expert
[00:11:11] The Protocol Brian Follows When Evaluating A Home Or Office
[00:31:46] Living Room and Kitchen
[01:05:35] EMF Home Safety Master Class
[01:06:56] Podcast Sponsors
[01:09:50] Boys’ Bedrooms
[01:51:47] Master Bedroom
[02:13:25] Smart Meter and Solar Panels
[02:21:27] Testing Wearables In the Faraday Tent
[02:31:45] Biohacking Room
[02:57:45] The Office
[03:29:56] Closing Ceremony
[03:37:30] End of Podcast
Ben: On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast.
Brian: Any device that I’ve seen that talks about creating a harmonic field or a coherent field, they’ve not been able to show if that’s actually being created with any kind of equipment.
Ben: We can’t necessarily protect ourselves anywhere and everywhere we go, but it makes sense that in those places where we can control, we should. It’s metal overload, it’s electrical exposure, it’s ultra-processed foods.
Brian: Yeah. It’s the perfect storm that we’ve created for chronic illness.
Ben: Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.
Boom, boom, boom. This is it, the moment of truth. This is going to be a fun episode. I’ve been looking forward to putting this one out for you guys because if you heard a couple of years ago, my intriguing podcast with a guy who came to my house to do a full-on building biology and dirty electricity analysis of my home out in the forest, it was just absolutely, absolutely fascinating. And I wanted to revisit this whole topic. Are my sleep-enhancing devices potentially hurting my brain and sleep patterns due to emitting dirty electricity during a night of sleep? Or is a low EMF office really a low EMF office? Do saunas produce dirty electricity? Is it okay to use these popular grounding and earthing devices and mats? What’s a bedroom contain in terms of hidden things that might be bombarding you with dirty electricity while you’re asleep? How big a deal are cell phone towers or 5G panels even if you don’t have one directly near your house or in your backyard? Do any of these fancy dirty EMF personal protection devices or shielding devices actually work?
I had so many questions and we tackle them all in today’s show because Brian Hoyer came back. Brian is with the company Shielded Healing and he travels all over the country just basically going to people’s homes and doing assessments of their home to determine how healthy the home is, particularly from an electronics standpoint. And man, we tore my house apart through this episode. We had a videographer following us around. So, the video for today’s show, as well as all of the shownotes for everything that you are about to hear, you can find at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/shieldedhealingpodcast. That’s BenGreenfieldFitness.com/shieldedhealingpodcast. Shielded Healing is the name of Brian’s company. And I’ll also put links in there to his company, everything that we talk about on the show, as well as a video if you want to see the video of today’s absolutely fascinating episode.
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Alright. Well, this is officially it. Brian Hoyer has descended upon the great town of Spokane, Washington again. He is someone I consider to be, in general consensus actually, amongst a lot of the biohacking community, kind of like the go-to guy when it comes particularly to EMF shielding. Now, there’s a term called building biology, which I think a lot of times is improperly associated with this whole concept of EMF shielding. Building biology is a whole–how would you describe building biology versus EMF shielding, Brian?
Brian: Well, there’s a lot of overlaps. I wasn’t formally trained by Building Biology Institute, but trained by Geobiological Institute. So, my focus started as a health practitioner, and so I’m focusing it on this more as a biohacking way to fix the house. And it’s not just focused on the house, it’s focused on the person, and also earth frequencies and the interaction of man-made frequencies outside the building that are coming into the building.
Ben: Right. Cell phone towers flicker from internal or external lighting, devices that might be scattered around the house, smart appliances just spans the gamut, but basically, anything that could affect what Jerry Tennant in his book “Healing is Voltage” or Robert Becker in his book, the human battery, outline as affecting the actual electrochemical potential of the human body, whether that’d be a retina or a red blood cell. You basically go through someone’s house and analyze soup to nuts, not the actual soup and the actual nuts, I hope. I hope that mine aren’t emitting EMF radiation. Everything that could be affecting someone’s biology.
Now, if you guys are watching or listening to this very special podcast, because we’re going to do an extremely thorough analysis of my own home and you’re going to learn a ton along the way, a couple of things. First, I’m going to put everything we discuss, because there will be very comprehensive shownotes, if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/shieldedhealingpodcast. That’s BenGreenfieldFitness.com/shieldedhealingpodcast. Then you’ll have access to all the shownotes. And furthermore, at that URL, BenGreenfieldFitness.com/shieldedhealingpodcast, I will link to the very first podcast I did with Brian because in that show, we laid down a lot of the basics that I think a lot of you are probably aware of right now, like how a Wi-Fi router could be harmful, or what might a cell phone when you’re holding it up by your ear might do.
So, we’re past that basic stuff now and what we want to do for today’s episode is just go through the home and identify everything in a kitchen, in a gym, in an office, in a bedroom, in a sleeping environment, in a working environment that could affect your energy during the day, your cellular function, your mitochondria, even, and I realize this gets out there, but even your risk for certain things like cancers, for example, as we know that there’s emerging evidence that a lot of these things can be carcinogenic. So, BenGreenfieldFitness.com/shieldedhealingpodcast is where you’re going to be able to find–pretty much any note that I take today, I will put it over there, from the meters that are used to Brian’s website, to our former podcast, to everything. So, what do you think, Brian? Did I cover it?
Brian: Yup.
Ben: I didn’t really lay down a very good introduction of you, but basically, we’ll put a more comprehensive bio for Brian. But long story short is he is the man when it comes to EMF shielding. And you’re going to learn that pretty quick here because I would imagine where we’re going to start is to explain all these crazy things you have laid out on the table. So, we’ll do that, and then we’re just going to start to tackle things as you guys watch or listen room by room by room at the Greenfield house. So, Brian, take it away, man. What have we got here? What are we looking at?
Brian: Alright. Well, whenever we come into a house, I did this myself for about two years and then I realized that there’s so many people that need help, so I trained an entire team to do this, and we have about six people that go all over the country. So, we have six stressors, basic stressors that we look for in every single home.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: And so, I’ve got all of my equipment laid out here in the order of what we test. So, this one is pretty much the only meter that I need to test magnetic fields, and this comes from if there’s a motor running. So, we’ll test this by the fridge, by an induction stove. Also, if there’s any wiring errors in the house, this will pick that up, when there’s unbalanced current in the wires. So, if a house is properly wired to code, you don’t have unbalanced current because there’s the same amount going through a circuit that’s going back to the board. And so, you want that to be balanced, and when that’s balanced–
Ben: The mere fact that I was not responsible for wiring the house gives us a pretty good luck. We’re going to find out if we can call up the electrician and curse him out. So, that’s the NFA 1000. That one’s actually testing for whether or not the home is properly wired?
Brian: That’s right.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: Yeah. And then, sometimes people that are concerned about the outside power lines, if they’re affecting the house or those big substations that have all the transformers, this would be the meter that you have for that.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: And then, also, a more–I mean, this one’s around I think 2 to $3,000 for this one.
Ben: Okay. This big yellow NFA 1000?
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: This one measures a triple-axis magnetic field as well, and it also measures the wireless frequencies. So, this one’s a more affordable one.
Ben: And what’s the name of this meter?
Brian: This one’s called the ESI 24.
Ben: Okay, the ESI 24. Got it.
Brian: And this is one that we actually sell on the website, and we’ll have that link in the shownotes.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: And you turn it on and it measures three things at once. So, this one’s the one that I’ll probably have your boys use to experiment going around the house and testing different things in their room.
Ben: Cool.
Brian: And it also measures electric fields, but you have to be grounded, and we’ll talk about that when we get to this meter. But if you’re looking for something that measures magnetic fields that’s accurate, this would be the more affordable one. This one is around $300.
Ben: This ESI 24?
Brian: Yeah, the ESI 24.
Ben: Okay. Got it.
Brian: And it measures three different things.
Ben: Okay. Three different things being the magnetic fields, the electric fields, and the–what’s the last one?
Brian: And the wireless frequencies.
Ben: And the wireless frequencies, okay.
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Which would be emitted from like a cell phone, for example.
Brian: From a cell phone, Wi-Fi router, cell phone towers.
Ben: Got it.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Cool. Okay.
Brian: So, magnetic fields, number one. And then, electric fields, number two. So, that’s what these ones measure. And then, we’ll also be measuring the body voltage in the bed, at your workspace, places where you spend a lot of time–
Ben: And the primary difference, just because I’ll ask the dumb questions myself so people don’t have to embarrass themselves by asking difference between electric field or magnetic field, if you could explain that to, let’s say, River and Terran up there listening in, my 12-year-old boys. How would you describe to a sixth-grader the electrical field versus a magnetic field?
Brian: Yeah. So, the magnetic field is due to the current that flows, but every electromagnetic frequency has an electric part and a magnetic part. And because it’s such a low frequency there, the current and the voltage are actually separated in a way. And so, you can measure them separately and you block them in different ways. So, we know that voltage goes to the lowest potential. And when you ground something, it can block an electric field. It doesn’t block the magnetic field when you ground something. So, the magnetic field will pulse right through that, the current will flow right through.
Ben: But what is the difference between an electric field and a magnetic field?
Brian: So, magnetic field is like when you’re measuring it, you will measure it about a certain distance out. And if you’re out of that field, then you’re good, you’re in a safe zone. An electric field will travel along anything that’s conductive.
Ben: Okay. So, magnetic field essentially will be radiating out from a device via the principle of magnetism, whereas an electrical field must travel through a conductive material. And for example, come into contact with your body in order to produce some type of effect. Whereas a magnetic field doesn’t even need to be in contact with your body. It’s instead traveling almost through the air, through waves.
Brian: Yeah, yeah.
Ben: Okay. Got it.
Brian: And because your body is conductive, it will conduct voltage. And by the way, both of these things are pulsating, which is not something that’s found in nature.
Ben: We don’t see pulsing electrical fields or pulsing magnetic fields in nature.
Brian: Right.
Ben: So, even if you’re outside walking barefoot on the earth and absorbing what people talk about like the Schumann resonance, for example, that’s not a pulsing resonance frequency.
Brian: It’s not a pulsed modulated. So, there’s pulse modulation that happens, 60 Hertz is a modulated frequency.
Ben: Got it.
Brian: It’s like pulsing 120 times back and forth per second.
Ben: Okay. And devices like electronics, those produce a pulsing field, and that’s what we’re concerned about because that pulsing is what can affect things like, say, the voltage-gated calcium channels on a cell to allow for an influx of calcium and a messing up of the actual normal electrical gradient that should occur in a cell. Whereas a non-pulsing field is not going to produce that type of effect?
Brian: It can and it does because the body does produce voltage. The issue with the pulsing is it’s going back and forth. So, it’s going in two directions and–well, really, three directions because it’s also going up and down, and then forward.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: So, there’s three different directions that is jostling the cells. And if you think about how a magnet works, magnetism affects pretty much every mineral in some way. And we have lots of essential minerals in our body. And if those are pulsing back and forth and the magnetism is going back and forth and jostling the minerals around on this cellular level, on the mitochondrial level, then you have dysfunction. It’s not something that your cell has been evolved or created to withstand–
Ben: All the more aggravated if you also have metal overload. From what I understand, a lot of people with high load of metals tend to be even more electro hypersensitive, which is a thing now. This concept of electro hypersensitivity, I see it now over and over again. And people who I talk to, who have low energy levels, when they’re tested, they tend to have high metal. A lot of times, they tend to have things like mold, and mycotoxins, and biofilm that seem to be able to better overtake the body when it’s in that state of sympathetic stress and constant arousal due to the presence of a lot of these EMF fields. And I’m not quite sure what comes first, the chicken or the egg, whether having mold, mycotoxin, biofilm, poor methylation status, et cetera, renders one more susceptible to the electro hypersensitivity or vice versa, someone who’s electro hypersensitive, and in that sympathetic state all the time is more susceptible to infection. It might be both, but ultimately, we know it’s an issue and it’s a growing issue.
One other question before we get back into the meters, and that is another one I know people might be wondering because there’s this concept of pulsed electromagnetic field therapy or PEMF. I own several devices that are used for inflammation, for recovery. I got a massage while lying for two hours on one last night, but that, by definition, is a pulsed EMF field.
Brian: Right.
Ben: Now, what’s the difference between that in, say, like a cell phone?
Brian: So, when you’re talking about pulsed electromagnetic field, there’s actually been a lot of research by Dr. Robert O. Becker, and there’s another guy. His name is slipping my mind right now, but I think it starts with a “P”, Dr. Pila, P-I-L-A.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: That might be it. But they talk about how the fields can be used in beneficial ways therapeutically and have an effect biologically on the tissue. The issue between a cell phone and a PEMF device would be that cell phone is not modulated in a way to be a healing frequency or any kind of therapy. It’s just modulated to send data, and the data is sporadic in random and it’s not at the right frequency, it’s not at the right modulation or anything like that. So, the PEMF devices are used for a specific reason on a specific part of the body.
Ben: Typically from about five–well, typically about three up to 100 hertz is what’s used in a PEMF device.
Brian: Right. Yeah. And so, we’re operating these at 60 hertz and it’s not an analog frequency, which most of the PEMF devices actually are analog and not modulated pulsed. They’re pulsed, but not as fast as what these different frequencies that are surrounding us are pulsed at.
Ben: Okay. Got it. So, we’re talking about these faster frequencies emitted by devices such as cell phones also not targeted to be one specific frequency, but bouncing around in terms of the pulsing effect as opposed to these targeted therapeutical devices, which are typically like a lower frequency and sticking at that one frequency the whole time.
Brian: Right. Yeah. They’re very different. And the overlap with those though is that a lot of the PEMF devices also use the pulsed frequency to run. So, if you plug it into a wall, you have to also think about, “Okay. I’m plugging this into a wall for this therapeutic benefit.” So, if you think of it like a scale, the therapeutic benefit on this side with any kind of device that you have. And then, over here is the stress side. So, you plug it into a wall, you’re using the 60 Hertz electrical that has all these harmonics and dirty electricity on it, and you’re plugged into that, and that electricity is used to power the device. If that device isn’t shielded from those, you’re also adding a stress even though you’ve got the therapeutic pulsation that the device is emitting.
Ben: Right, right.
Brian: So, that’s where a lot of these companies need to get on board and say, “Okay. The pulsed field that we’re producing has been proven to be therapeutic. We have a lot of tests showing that.” What happens if you also block the negative stuff that you’re using to power that device?
Ben: Yeah. And so, as we’re doing the analysis today, we could probably test some of these devices and see if potentially, there are cons along with the pros if you have the actual, for lack of a better word, the motor that’s running the therapy device that you’re using. If that motor is harming you, well, the therapy device is helping you. That’s a question of, what do you do about that? How far can you be from the device?
Brian: Right. Yeah.
Ben: So, yeah. We should test some of that today and see.
Brian: Definitely.
Ben: Alright. So, what else do we have here as far as meters are concerned?
Brian: So, along with the electric field body voltage that we test, we test the body current, and that’s the dirty electricity that’s on the ground conductors in the house, and we test to see if that–that’s just another type of measurement that we take. So, we got magnetic, electric, and then there’s dirty electricity over here. We test the lines for thousands of different frequencies that are riding on the 60 Hertz electrical system. And there’s different filtration devices that can be used. We also block that when we recommend shielding recommendations for a bedroom or an office.
Ben: So, this would test things like, for example, power surges if you’re on a local power supply coming from a substation, that type of thing?
Brian: Yeah. It’ll test power spikes, surges, things that even like vacuum cleaners make, fluorescent lights, solar panels inverters, those sorts of things, which we’ll get into way more in-depth later.
Ben: Got it.
Brian: And yeah. Those are really simple plug-in devices that have different bandwidth that we test with that. So, we got the magnetic fields, electric fields, dirty electricity, and then we have the wireless frequencies. So, that’s number four here.
Ben: Mm-hmm. You have a lot of meters for these wireless frequencies.
Brian: Yes.
Ben: Why so many? Is this just because you want to show up on the meters, or is there one that you think that you primarily rely upon?
Brian: Well, I bring all these because I found that I need a different device depending on what I find. I come into a situation I don’t know what I’m going to be in, what kind of situation I’m going to be in, whether it’s an electromagnetic soup of New York City, Los Angeles, or out in the country here in–
Ben: On the pristine forest of Spokane, Washington, we’ll see what we can find.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: I’m hoping I’m not too shocked.
Brian: So, sometimes there’s so much interference that I’m not able to lock into a frequency of a certain meter. So, I have different meters that I use for different things with that. And then, yeah. I need all of these to measure. And any time we can take a body measurement, I want to do that because we’re concerned about how the body’s reacting to these fields.
Ben: Okay. Got it. So, in summary, the six different things you’re measuring are?
Brian: We got electric fields, magnetic fields, dirty electricity, wireless frequencies, we’ve got artificial light, which we’ll test. So, we test the flickering of the light.
Ben: Mm-hmm. Yup.
Brian: And we also are concerned about the spectrum of the light. So, those are the two things with light that we want to match the outdoor environment with the indoor environment. And then, the last thing is the geopathic stress.
Ben: The geopathic stress actually emitted by certain–we talked about this a little bit in the last podcast, but explain that briefly to folks what a geopathic stressor is.
Brian: So, geopathic stress is the more naturopathic or homeopathy term for energy that’s coming up from the earth. The more scientific term, if you want to look at it in the literature, is called telluric currents, T-E-L-L-U-R-I-C, and that’s been scientifically measured since basically geology, and they’ve had equipment to measure those things, and it’s the conductivity of the different layers of the Earth’s crust and how like one mineral–you can take a mineral-like silver and zinc. There’s actually some studies that were done on some amphibians and you can induce a current just by touching one side of a frog to the other side of the frog and it can keep like almost dead frog’s heart pumping for two minutes just by having the two dissimilar metals touching.
And so, when there’s interactions in the Earth’s crust, there’s a current when metals are touching. So, if there’s a fault line, if there’s water that’s breaking the different layers of the Earth’s crust and it’s mixing the minerals together, there’s different currents that can come up in energy that can be detectable that’ll come up. And it can actually be detrimental if there’s too much of it in one area versus other areas.
Ben: And is this why, and again I realize this gets a little woo-woo for folks, but is this why in a lot of indigenous cultures and lore of old and ancient tales that some areas of the Earth are considered to be like healing spots, like hot springs or places where people would go and travel for some type of religious or meditative experience, whereas others are places where people might park and camp out for the night and find they’re getting nightmares, and bad dreams, and poor sleep, and this kind of weird stress?
Brian: Yeah, exactly. So, the most common thing that people can look back to and think about is like the Chinese tradition of feng shui. That was actually rooted in earth energies and they believe that the earth has meridians, these lines, call them dragon lines. And then, there’s this practice of earth acupuncture where you stick a metal stake in the ground to reroute the energy in a different direction if it’s bad, or reroute the good energy in a good direction–
Ben: No kidding. Well, I have a metal stake in the ground outside downstairs that feeds via cable into my office onto this grounding mat that I stand on while I’m working. So, we can maybe test a little bit of that too and look into some of these grounding and earthing technologies and see if those are a good thing or a bad thing. I’m curious to have to check out that as well.
Brian: Yeah. Definitely.
Ben: Wow. Okay. Well, that is a lot to get started with, and you have all this equipment laid out on the table, you walk into somebody’s home. Where do you start? Do you just pick a room and start to go at it?
Brian: Yeah. Well, because we’ve done an assessment with you before, we already have a lot of baseline information. So, usually, I’ll start off with the magnetic fields, I’ll just click this on, and it’ll start clicking. And if there’s a wiring issue in the house, I know right away just by raising it up, taking it down.
Ben: Right now, it’s clicking at a relatively even rate, and what you would be listening for is some type of a rapid increase in the click rate?
Brian: Yeah. And there’s a digital readout on here. So, this says 0.35 and we’re measuring milligauss.
Ben: And in terms of milligauss, what would be something that would be considered unharmful?
Brian: In the daytime–
Ben: Or rather harmful.
Brian: In the daytime areas, we want 0.5 or lower.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: For a bedroom, we want around 0.3 or lower.
Ben: Okay. So, right now, it’s 0.35 here in the living room.
Brian: That’s right.
Ben: So, when you pull that thing out and you see that that’s the amount of magnetic field here in the living room, do you then say, “Okay, what could be generating this amount, 0.35?” And then, how do you go about testing for something like that?
Brian: Yeah. So, then we just walk around and we just start scanning the room and seeing where the meter leads us.
Ben: Alright. So, do you want to start right here? Do we start in the living room?
Brian: Yeah. We can start there.
Ben: Since we’re here already.
Brian: And then, I also usually bring a wireless device with me just to see what’s going on in here, which I’m not going to do right now because we’re wired up. So, I’m just going to leave that here for now.
Ben: Okay. So, there are certain things that you’ll do when we’re not mic’d up just so that the mics don’t interfere with.
Brian: Right.
Ben: And I notice, by the way, practicing what you preach, and I’m feeling bad now. You with your lav mic controller actually have this little Faraday bag that you put yours into in your back pocket. I actually have one of those Faraday bags down in my office. So, you’re actually a fan of these type of devices, like I have one here. This is a Defender Shield that my phone is inside. Are you a fan of these kind of cases or bags to protect devices that you’re wearing?
Brian: Yeah. I like the bags more than the cases because they just have a better shield from what I’ve tested.
Ben: Right. Okay. But do these type of phone cases, for example, do anything from your testing?
Brian: Yeah. They can either make it really good or they can make it worse in some cases–
Ben: Interesting.
Brian:–because you’re putting metal right in front of the phone and sometimes in front of the antenna. So, you have to be really careful. And you also have to know where your phone is being connected to, and there’s some apps you can download on your phone, like Opensignal, and there’s some other ones where you can actually find out the direction. And I always recommend this at people’s house. Find out what cell phone tower your phone is connecting to and then orient yourself so that you’re between the cell phone and the tower and you have the best reception possible because if the reception is good, your phone’s not going to blast out as much of a signal to connect to the power.
Ben: Right. That’s commonly known a lower–should be commonly known, the lower the bar on your cell phone, the more radiation it’s emitting trying to find a signal.
Brian: Yes.
Ben: So, the better signal you can find in your house in terms of work on your cell phone, that’s going to be ideal. Now, what we have now at our house is most of the rooms have these cables that allow us to plug our phones into the Ethernet. So, we just bought a bunch of iPhone to Ethernet cables. And whenever you want to connect your phone for an app download or a higher bandwidth use of the phone, you just plug it straight into the Ethernet cable. And you can put it in airline or airplane mode. It works fine.
Brian: Yeah, yeah, it’s great. And there’s the same thing for people that have Android phones, there’s options for that. So, those are some of the recommendations that usually after an assessment, I make reference to all these different things and we have an email we send out with links to all the different accessory products.
Ben: Yeah. You [00:31:26] _____ pretty comprehensive report last time.
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Alright, cool. So, what do we do now? What’s the first step? Let’s start in the living room.
Brian: Yeah. Let’s go around and just test the–see if there’s any magnetic field things going on the living room. We might not find anything, but we will probably find something in the kitchen. And if we get lucky, the fridge will be running.
Ben: Alright, cool. Sounds good. And for any of you who are listening to this podcast, like I mentioned, we’re video recording this whole thing and this is the type of show, if you are listening in, I would recommend you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/shieldedhealingpodcast and watch some of the video too because it’s going to be super informative for you. Some of this stuff is hard to visualize when you’re listening.
Brian: So, yeah, that’s a good point. What I like to do in an assessment is try to help people visualize it. I make the invisible visible, and also the inaudible audible, and that helps people who are somewhat skeptical to understand what’s going on and to see it because this stuff we can’t see, we can’t hear it, and it’s really important to be able to show people what’s going on. So, you want meters that make the most sound and have the most visual stimulation so that you can convince people and show them how it’s actually affecting the body. So, there’s not really an issue here in the living room that I’m detecting.
Ben: Now, there is one device in the living room, and I’ll point this out as we go through. People are always sending me these so-called personal protection devices or things that are supposed to help with protecting the body or with mitigating the effects of EMF. And this one right here sitting on top of the piano, it’s called the Concerto, and this is supposedly supposed to offer some kind of the EMF protecting effect when placed in a room. So, are you able to test something like that at all, see if it’s effective or even see if it’s ineffective?
Brian: Well, I can test to see.
Ben: It’s obviously producing a huge amount.
Brian: It’s producing magnetic field when you get really close.
Ben: Yup. Now, obviously–
Brian: So, you wouldn’t want this right next to your bed, for instance, where your head is.
Ben: Now, what about if River or Terran were sitting at the piano, playing the piano, they’re about two feet from this device? That might be affording some protection, but as you alluded to, as you get very, very close to the device, the protection is offset by the amount of radiation that it actually produces.
Brian: Yeah. It can–
Ben: And in this case, magnetic radiation, right?
Brian: Yeah. I would say it can be offset by it if it’s too close because really, right where they’d be sitting, we’re about 0.3. If I get about maybe eight inches away, it goes up to 0.5.
Ben: And is there a way to test whether or not something like that is effective as advertised as doing what it’s supposed to be doing besides paying attention to sleep better when it’s in your house, or whether your blood inflammatory markers might go down, or something self-quantitative like that? Do you have a device that can measure the effectiveness of something like that?
Brian: Well, usually, what I have to know about, I have to know more information about the device to test it. So, if it purports to block magnetic fields, for instance, I would say probably not because it’s creating a magnetic field.
Ben: Right.
Brian: And then, if it’s purporting to protect from wireless, we’d need to test it with a different meter.
Ben: Let’s see if this literature on top of the–no, these are the instructions for tuning the drum. Yeah. It doesn’t exactly say, but it’s called a Light Rhythms Concerto. We could look it up here. I’ll look it up as you’re going around testing a few other things in the room and I’ll let you know what it supposedly says that it does on its website.
Brian: Yeah. So, we can maybe pull out a different meter or a few different meters and test that. But I’m just going to go in the kitchen now and see if there’s anything going on. Actually, I’m going to go ahead and open the fridge, in the freezer, see if we can get the fridge to run so I can show people what that does. Got some goat milk in here, some good, healthy food.
River/Terran: Lots of sprouts.
Brian: Lots of sprouts, yeah. Alright.
Ben: Yeah. So, what it says about this Concerto, Brian, is that it works quietly against the effects of cell phones, smartphones, tablets, and Wi-Fi polluted areas, and relieves from EMF stress, increasing productivity and concentration while guarding against the negative effects of electromagnetic fields.
Brian: Okay.
Ben: That’s what it says doing, counteracting the negative effects of electromagnetic radiation by creating a coherent field that reduces the effects of EMF pollution. So, what say you to that, Brian?
Brian: Alright. Well, I say that it’s hard to–any device that I’ve seen that talks about creating a harmonic field or a coherent field, they’ve not been able to show in my experience that that’s actually being created with any kind of equipment.
Ben: Now, could you, for example–I mean, what if you were to put a cell phone next to that–
Brian: Let’s do it.
Ben:–that’s producing a field, what would you test? Because I can take my cell phone right now and set it over there.
Brian: Yeah, we can.
Ben: Okay. So, we’re going to test one of these so-called EMF protection devices, not that they’re all created equal, but they all kind of sort of say they do the same thing. So, my phone’s in airplane mode right now.
Brian: Okay.
Ben: I’m going to take my phone out of its little protective case just to get the full effect. There’s the iPhone 11, which supposedly does produce a pretty high amount of radiation, but it’s in airplane mode right now.
Brian: Okay. So, we’ve also got the–this is actually a perfect example because we got the wireless lav mics on as well.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: So, you can see I’m almost maxing out my body voltage meter with these.
Ben: So, you’re testing your own body voltage.
Brian: Body micro voltage.
Ben: Body micro voltage.
Brian: For radiofrequency radiation.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: Yup. So, we’re measuring the body as an antenna.
Ben: Okay. And then, are you saying we flip this off and see if your body voltage is just as high?
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Okay. So, right now, your body voltage, as you’re standing next to this thing with it on and the lav mic’s producing–should I turn my cell phone on, too?
Brian: Yeah. Go ahead and turn your cell phone on.
Ben: So, I’m going to flip the cell phone on. So, I’m throwing a little bit more in there. I’m going to put my cell phone right in front of Brian.
Brian: So, it’s maxed out the meter.
Ben: And we’ve pretty much maxed–now the cell phone’s on, all the meters are maxed out. We’re through the roof now. And all I did was take the cell phone out of airplane mode. So, now, if I unplug this, it should theoretically get even higher, right, but you get even worse, correct? So, should I turn this off?
Brian: Yeah. Let’s go ahead and turn it off.
Ben: Okay. I’m just going to unplug it here or here. Okay. It should be off now, that little green light off.
River/Terran: Still on.
Ben: Still on?
River/Terran: Yes.
Brian: Still on.
Ben: Oh, wait. Maybe I got to turn it off on the back of it. Let’s try this. Okay. There, it’s off. Anything change?
Brian: Nope.
Ben: Okay. I’m going to flip it back on now. Okay. Now, it’s back on. I’m just getting a higher readout.
Brian: Yeah. So, we’re still getting the same.
Ben: Now, unfortunately, what the scary thing is between two lav mics and a cell phone, we were maxed out even almost unable to test this thing. We got so maxed out just from having two devices running next to our bodies. And what’s the acceptable level of microvolt radiation that you would normally want?
Brian: Well, I like it to see below 1,000 in the daytime areas.
Ben: And we were 8,000 and got up above 10,000 once we flipped the cell phone on?
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Wow.
Brian: And then, in the bedtime areas, I like to see–it depends on the intensity in the area. I mean, if we’re like in Seattle and we’re measuring like downtown within line of sight of the Queen Anne Tower. So, anyone who lives in the Pacific Northwest that’s been to Seattle, those huge towers, there’s like three of them on this huge hill, their radio and television and cell phone towers that are blasting the entire city. They’re red and white-colored. You can’t miss them. You look at the cityscape of Seattle and you notice those. Everybody knows those as the Queen Anne Tower. So, those are blasting the entire city. So, if you can see those, we want the level in a shielded room in that area, below 500 would be good.
Ben: Wow.
Brian: But in a place like here where things are relatively low in the country, as low as possible, but I like to see it below 100. I would consider that as successful.
Ben: Below 100. Okay. When we get next to a device that’s supposed to be protecting us from EMF, we’re jumping up above 8,000. But part of that is obviously these lav mics and everything that we’re wearing, but all we know is that this device didn’t seem to protect us from that at all. When flipped on or off, it didn’t make a difference.
Brian: Yeah. A lot of these devices, I would say, it’s debatable whether it supports your body in dealing with a stressor. But when they claim that it’s blocking the frequency or canceling it out, I’ve never seen that to be true with the–
Ben: You’ve tested a multitude of these devices very similar to what we just did and you’re not finding evidence that they actually block an actual field. You’re not discounting the fact that perhaps if someone sleeps better, if their inflammation drops, great, but what they’re not doing in most cases from your testing is actually blocking some type of field from a cell phone or Wi-Fi router. So, if I were to have a Wi-Fi router on the other side of this and we were to test with this on versus off, you wouldn’t notice that it’s somehow creating this protective shield around our bodies or something like that?
Brian: No.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: Yeah, yeah.
Ben: Interesting.
Brian: I wouldn’t be able to measure that. But I will show you something that–
Ben: You’re going to piss a lot of manufacturers off of all these devices.
Brian: I know. I hopefully won’t get–
Ben: And again, we’re not saying they don’t work to do something, but they’re definitely not doing according to what you’ve tested what they say they’re doing as far as blocking some of these fields.
Brian: Yeah. If they claim to block or cancel the fields out–and you have to look at the wording very carefully too because you can say it cancels the effects of the fields out. That may be true, but we don’t really have a way to measure that and show scientifically–
Ben: Right. Aside from doing like pre and post with a pretty good, probably washout, and preferably a double-blind scenario, someone’s inflammatory markers or HRV or something like that.
Brian: Right. Well, and there’s also this case of all the Bruce Lipton stuff, “The Biology of Belief.” And in a double-blind placebo-controlled study, that usually controls for the placebo effect, right? But there’s also this thing I read about, and I’ll have to look for the documentation, that’s called like the double placebo effect. Like if somebody is doing a study and they have this intention, kind of like how qigong or prayer works, you can be hoping, praying that something’s going to work and have an effect on the study.
Ben: Yeah. Which is why it’s important the researcher is also blinded.
Brian: Right.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: Yeah. The researcher and maybe even done without the knowledge of the company doing it.
Ben: Yeah. Wow.
Brian: So, it’s really hard and there’s a lot of things that we don’t know about how powerful the human mind is. And when you get into the more spiritual esoteric stuff, it’s a whole different realm. And what I really try to focus on is, is it making a difference in these meters?
Ben: Right. I mean, I certainly believe that probably if I were to go eat a McDonald’s hamburger now, it would probably do more harm to my body than when I would eat a McDonald’s hamburger when I was 12 and have no clue about any of the vegetable oils, or the toxicity, or the inflammation, or anything like that. Now, just knowing what it does to me I think sets myself up to be even more biologically damaged–
Brian: Totally.
Ben:–by something you think and know is unhealthy for you. And yeah, it’s super interesting, the mind over matter effect.
Brian: Yeah. That actually brings up a huge point that I make whenever I do an EMF assessment because a lot of people after we’re done here–and maybe after you guys are done listening to this podcast or watching this, you’re going to feel so overwhelmed. Oh, my gosh, we’re done–
Ben: Right. It’s like all of a sudden, I can’t sleep.
Brian: Yeah. I’m worried about this and I always make a point that we will provide a protocol for you to do what you can, and the goal is to recreate an ancestral healing environment in your bedroom, in your home, the places where you spend the most time, help people prioritize what’s most important, and then get on with your life and put in some–there’s some nutritional strategies, some food strategies that you can do to help mitigate the damage that’s done during the day when you are exposed or when you’re inevitably exposed at different times during the season when you have to go to business trip or whatever. But you put those in place and then stop stressing out about it. You have to have a lifestyle that matches–
Ben: Yeah. When I interviewed Dr. Mercola, we talked a lot about that, about everything from carbohydrate mitigation and ketone bodies having a protective effect on some of the inflammatory pathways, we talked about high magnesium intake and mineral intake, having a positive effect on some of the deleterious effects of this calcium channel influx, we talked about getting a diet rich in sirtuins, and also potentially even supplementing with something like NAD is being protected against some of the ionizing and non-ionizing radiation damage.
And so, yeah, there are certainly things that you can do from a nutritional or a supplementation standpoint as well, which is kind of a whole different topic. But yeah. It’s not as though you’re disempowered. There are things that you can do. And we talked about a lot of them in our previous podcast like turning off the Wi-Fi router and hardwiring instead or using that phone trick that we just talked about, plugging your phone instead of having it out of airplane mode. But yeah, there’s plenty that you can do. But back to the testing, so what’s the next thing that we do here?
Brian: Well, if we’re done with the magnetic fields in the area, I think the fridge has been open for a while. We can see if there’s a magnetic field coming off of that, too. But yeah. We scan for magnetic field issues, flipping on and off lights. Dimmer switches are often a problem that we look for with the magnetic fields if there’s a wiring error, especially. We already tested this house for magnetic fields and nothing really came up. So, we should just probably move on to the next thing and we’ll do the wireless.
Ben: The only newer areas we’d want to test would be like the guest house, for example, our new construction that’s occurred since you were last here.
Brian: Right.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Okay. Cool.
Brian: So, if we find something, we’ll show that.
Ben: Alright, alright.
Brian: But yeah. So, actually, if we can get your boys down here, we can–
Ben: Hey, boys, come on down.
Brian: They can have some of these–
Ben: Why don’t you guys stick around down here on the main floor and just shadow us, okay?
River/Terran: Okay.
Ben: Rather than hanging out up there. Don’t worry, people don’t mind you guys being in the camera. You got a lot prettier faces than dad does.
River/Terran: Okay.
Brian: Okay. So, we do have a lot of interference from the lav mic. So, I’m just going to start off on this because I can show people what we’re detecting.
Ben: Would it be helpful if I put my lav mic in a Faraday cage? Because I have one downstairs. I feel like I should anyways now that you’ve got me freaked out. So, I’m not even going to wait for your reply. I’m going to run down and grab that. Keep rocking and rolling.
Brian: Alright. So, I’m going to turn on–this is a real-time radio frequency spectrum analyzer. It’s a German-made device. And what I’m going to do is we’re going to test just the whole range of frequencies from 0 to 12 gigahertz. So, I’m actually going to start off at 20 megahertz frequency, and then I’m going to end at 12 gigahertz, and then I’m going to be looking at the peaks here. So, we got peaks in 7.8, 7.2 gigahertz, 2.9, 3.5. So, these are all frequencies that are coming in from outside the house. And let’s see if we can find what the frequency is from my microphone back here.
Ben: My Faraday bag is much shinier than Brian’s.
Brian: There we go. So, we might have a problem if you close it all the way up with the mic getting a signal.
Ben: We’ll find out. I mean, I can’t close it all the way because the wire’s got to come out, but–
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Alright, there we go. On Faraday bagged up. Are we still getting audio? Sweet. Camera guy says thumbs up. Camera guy, by the way, today is Wilbur Sensing, @wilbursensing on Instagram. I’ll link to his stuff in the shownotes if you guys want to check out some of his videographer work. He’s the crack video team we hired out of Spokane here.
Brian: Okay.
Ben: Alright. So, what are we looking at now?
Brian: Looks like we got the 900 megahertz frequency. I think that’s what we’re operating on with the lav mics.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: So, we’re doing okay with that now. Let’s see.
Ben: So, are you essentially doing that so you can identify as you’re testing whether it’s the lav mic that’s creating an issue versus something else?
Brian: Yeah. So, we’re going to actually check the–okay, so we got a lot of radio stations here. So, I’m going to do that. I remember that from the last podcast. We detected a radio station, and we’ll see. I’ll bring out that meter that I used last time. Actually, I got one that has a better speaker on it.
Ben: So, we’re actually getting a signal from a radio station passing into our house?
Brian: Yes.
Ben: Now, how much of an issue is that? Biologically, have you seen evidence that that’s going to cause much damage?
Brian: Yeah. Actually, the radio frequencies from the FM radio stations, they resonate even more with the human body than a lot of the higher frequencies do.
Ben: Oh, wow. So, out here even in the middle of the forest, we’re getting some radio towers emitting their radio frequencies into our house?
Brian: Yes.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: And you’re able to determine whether the quantity of that wave is going to be an issue? It’s kind of scary. So, when we’re sitting here eating dinner at night, that’s going through our heads, that noise?
Brian: Yeah. That’s why people get songs stuck in their heads and voices in their–
Ben: You’re kidding, right?
Brian: Yeah, I am kidding.
Ben: Yeah, I was going to say. You’re full of [00:50:49] _____. You don’t want to lose your credibility with folks, the boy who cried wolf here.
Brian: Alright. So, this will show you.
Ben: By the way, have you read the book, Brian, which I just finished called “The Invisible Rainbow“?
Brian: Yeah. I’ve got a copy in my–
Ben: Okay. If you guys are listening in, I think that book, it’s kind of like when you’re holding a hammer, the world looks like a nail. It pretty much blames every single disease known to man on radio waves electricity. And I don’t know if I think like the 1918 flu pandemic was because we–there was some kind of radio rollout around that same time, and neither do I think that 5G caused coronavirus. So, the book has a lot of like correlative data in it that I don’t necessarily agree with, but reading it is thought-provoking when it comes to the actual correlation between electro hypersensitivity and a lot of these waves where–we essentially live in a soup of electricity that human beings up until 100 years ago never lived in. And that book is pretty scary when it shows the patterning between all these different diseases and the frequency of exposure to a lot of these things. Even the seemingly harmless, old-school AM/FM radio, which we think is nothing compared to–
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: It’s like a cell phone that’s on in our pockets. There’s actually some stuff going on there.
Brian: Right. We think that because it’s been around a long time, it must not have an effect. But then we look back at history and, yeah, correlation is not causation, but how healthy are we since we started–we can blame it on the foods of convenience as Weston A. Price would call them, and the processing of the food and the chemicals and things like that. But at the same time, we’re also having this huge influx of this wireless radiation.
Ben: It’s a cluster of factors, right?
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: It’s stress, it’s lack of presence and awareness, it’s sympathetic nervous system response to that, it’s metal overload, it’s electrical exposure, it’s ultra-processed foods. But I think that, yeah, radio waves and electromagnetic waves are certainly part of that factor.
Brian: Definitely, yeah. It’s a perfect storm that we’ve created for chronic illness. So, just to show you the effect of the radio frequency, FM radio versus like something that’s a higher frequency, I’ll just show you this so we can zoom in with the camera here. When I touch this, see how that spikes up? That means the signal is stronger. So, I’m going to reset this here. So, right now, we’re just detecting what this little antenna is detecting. And when I touched my body to that, it spikes up the level like at least tenfold, maybe more. So, that’s why when you grab a TV antenna or radio antenna back in the day when we used to have the little bunny rabbit ears, your body actually acts as the antenna.
Ben: Oh, yeah. I told River and Terran when I was a little boy, I had a TV hidden in my closet that my parents didn’t know about that I would sneak out at night to watch all the TV shows like “X-Files” and “Married… with Children.” There’s all these shows I’d watch that my parents didn’t want me to watch it. But a lot of times, I found that if I held the TV antenna, I could get a lot better reception. And I even had like little coat wire hang-ups where I could just go lounge in my bed and be holding the coat wire, and the coat wire would be attached to the TV antenna and it actually worked. I used my body as an antenna. And probably even more scary, I’ve noted that if I have a poor connection on my phone and I take it out of its protective case and then use my body as almost like to amplify the signal. And we tested this the last time you’re at the house. Your phone uses your body as an antenna. And we tested my own voltage on my human body with the phone on versus off and it went through the roof.
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Which is yet another reason that maybe having a good selfie stick could be a good idea.
Brian: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Ben: Or at least being careful how much you actually handle your phone while it’s on, using your body as an antenna.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: So, yeah. It’s really important to understand how your–because your body is conductive, that you are actually collecting these frequencies, these micro voltages from all these different plethora of frequencies that are bombarding our homes and workplaces and everywhere that we go and it’s–your body’s actually not only being influxed with those frequencies, but your skin is actually resonating a frequency as well, and it’s creating a secondary frequency that goes into the body. And so, in really high radio frequency areas, you can measure these phenomena that’s happening, and it’s happening on a smaller level when you have a lower amount of radiation. I could be as far as–we’ve done a lot of shielded room, shielded spaces.
And in the places where you have the most saturation of these frequencies, the first shield that blocks them does a really good job and lowers things dramatically. But if you go really close to the primary shielding material, you can detect a secondary frequency emitting about six inches off from the shielding material. And when you’re exposed with your body, you can go into a Faraday cage like a radio, and the radio would normally be off not getting reception, but you go within a foot of the radio antenna and it starts to get the radio station that’s coming in. So, your body’s actually radiating that signal and rebroadcasting that to the antenna receiver.
Ben: Wait, are you saying then that, for example–EMF blocking underwear is very popular these days. Are you saying that that could potentially be acting as almost like a miniature antenna around your precious balls than actually protecting you?
Brian: Well, the question is, how do you get a bigger antenna? You add more metal, you add more–
Ben: These things are [00:56:53] ______ metals?
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: So, there’s some problematic issues with that that I’ve tested. And so, the design of these materials and these types of clothing is very, very important.
Ben: And you would prefer to choose a blocking fabric if you’re going to use blocking fabrics that had as little metal in them as possible?
Brian: Well, it’s difficult because the thing that blocks them is the metal.
Ben: Is the metal. So, what do you do?
Brian: So, the people that find the most benefit–
Ben: What does a clothing manufacturer do.
Brian: Yeah. The people that find the most benefit from the clothing are people that aren’t in hugely saturated areas.
Ben: Okay. So, essentially, if you’re living in New York City or L.A., or walking through an airport or some other area laden with EMF soup, not having these type of Faraday cage type of clothing devices on your body would be more beneficial you think?
Brian: Possibly. And the thing is–
Ben: That’s going to throw a lot of people for a loop because tons of people are wearing those things down.
Brian: Yeah. Well, it depends. It depends like what the frequency is, because depending on the size of the clothing, it’s going to resonate at a different frequency as it’s being bombarded with those. And so, there’s resonance phenomena that happens and there’s this guy that talks about it in his book. His name’s Hubert Trzaska. We’ll have a link to that in the shownotes as well, and a little photo of the page I’m talking about.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: But everything rebroadcasts a signal when it’s introduced to a wireless frequency, depending on the size of the conductor.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: That’s why when you tune in your radio station, it’s actually changing the size of the antenna to tune in to a different station, a different frequency.
Ben: Okay. Now, if people’s heads are spinning right now and they’re still confused, should I, should I not wear my EMF blocking hoodie or my–what’s the popular brand, like Lambs underwear or any of these newer types of clothing or shielding devices when I’m traveling or when I’m in an area of high EMF. What’s the overall message that you would give to people if you were going to boil it down into very simplistic terms?
Brian: Well, I would say, number one, if you have the clothing, you need to get an EMF meter right away so you can measure and know what environment, especially if you’re wearing it in a certain area all the time, you need to know what’s going on in that environment and what frequencies they’re broadcasting that.
Ben: And what are you looking for?
Brian: So, I want anything that’s above four gigahertz. The clothing is going to be pretty good.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: But below four gigahertz like your Wi-Fi and lower. Really, Wi-Fi router is not that bad because of the way it’s pulsed. It’s mainly these transmitting antennas that are modulated like into FM radio.
Ben: The FM 5G?
Brian: Some of the 5G frequencies, yeah. So, 3.65 gigahertz is a 5G frequency they’re using in Houston and they have some of those towers actually around this area as well to provide high-speed wireless internet.
Ben: Have you ever written an article about this with the EMF blocking fabrics or clothing or what people should look for if people want to take a deeper dive, or is it that book that you just referenced?
Brian: There’s a book I’ve referenced. I actually have a draft on my website of an article that–
Ben: Okay. Yeah. You should publish that. I think a lot of people are going to be interested. It sounds like it’s a pretty deep discussion, but when you publish that–do you think it’d be out soon if I included that in the shownotes?
Brian: Yeah. I mean, we’ve been on the road for a couple months and I’ve been waiting to get back to go through my to-do list–
Ben: If and when it is published, or when it is published, I should say, we’ll manifest that. I will put a link in the shownotes for you guys at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/shieldedhealingpodcast because I’m interested in reading a more thorough treatise of that as well.
Brian: Yeah. It’s really, really interesting. And I found that primarily by testing these frequencies with this meter and the other body attachments that we have to the radio frequency devices.
Ben: Okay. And then, one final rabbit hole regarding–when you’re touching a device and it’s using you as an antenna, the only other situation I can think of that people are engaging quite frequently like River and Terran, for example, and me are when we’re typing on our computers. We’re touching the keyboard. We’re touching the trackpad. What’s your approach as far as that’s concerned?
Brian: So, if you have an external keyboard, that’s better. You need to make sure that your computer is grounded.
Ben: So, if you have a MacBook and it’s got like the third prong and you’re plugged into the wall and the outlet is properly grounded, then technically your computer is grounded.
Brian: Right. Yeah. You have to have the third prong attachment. If you just have the two, the hot and the neutral wire that’s plugged in, it doesn’t ground the–
Ben: Yeah. Well, all of our MacBooks have the third prong in the chart. Right, guys? Your guys just have the–when you plug your computer in, there’s a third prong that looks like–well, all we’re talking about is this, third prong on the bottom. So, your guys don’t and mine does. So, we should consider then, note to self, getting the–don’t they sell special kinds of plugs that you can plug your laptop in to ground it while you’re working?
Brian: Yeah. Well, you can just get the one that Apple sells and it’ll ground the computer.
Ben: Got it.
Brian: Yeah. We’ve tested that.
Ben: So, you just use a charging device. Let me see yours here. Okay. So yeah. So, something like this would not be properly grounded, but if we were to substitute this for the cable that actually has the third prong, then it would be grounded.
Brian: Yeah. So, this is a good thing to show on the video because these are the hot and the neutral here. This is the ground prong right here, actually.
Ben: Oh, so that is grounded?
Brian: That’s what it will be grounded, too. Right here, this doesn’t have any contact. So, this has no metal in it.
Ben: So, what we would want to do in a case like that is you would want to have something like this that your laptop is plugged into so that then when you use a device like this versus the two-prong device and you plug this and you’re working on your computer, you’re then grounded and that would be more protective than if you’re using a standard charging cable.
Brian: And you can see in there, that’s the ground. There’s a little metal in there versus this one that doesn’t have it. So, this metal is connected to this prong right here and that’s grounding this. It actually grounds the USB cable that’s coming out to the computer, and then that grounds the computer.
Ben: Gotcha.
Brian: And so, there’s a little bit of–
Ben: That’s an easy switch then because these are relatively inexpensive versus buying an entirely new charging block. You just buy a cable that allows you to plug in and be grounded.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: That’s easy. That’s an easy fix.
Brian: Yup. And you can get those on Amazon and/or the Apple store.
Ben: I will write a note to myself, fellas. And you like the same thing with like, for example, a mouse or using a mouse instead of a trackpad.
Brian: Yeah, wired mouse.
Ben: Although that’d be a moot point. If your computer is grounded, then both the mouse and the keyboard are going to be less problematic.
Brian: Yeah. Well, for people that are really sensitive, sometimes they can’t stand touching their computer because there is a magnetic field that comes out from the computer itself. So, we can actually measure that right here.
Ben: So, what’s that measuring right there as I’m patting on my computer?
Brian: This is measuring magnetic fields. So, it’s kind of a habit change I try to teach people to do. Like right now, you’re not using this hand. So, this hand could be off of the computer and you could just have one finger on there. Otherwise, your hand’s just sitting here getting that radiation.
Ben: Wow. So, that’s all the radiation my computer is producing right there. And as soon as I’m touching my computer–now, what if my computer isn’t grounded, are we going to see even more of that?
Brian: It shouldn’t make a difference with the magnetic.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: But yeah, with the electric field, it would.
Ben: Wow.
Brian: So, no matter what, that’s going–
Ben: So, no matter what when you’re using computer, you’re getting some amount of radiation.
Brian: Yeah. So, that’s why we recommend an external keyboard, then it won’t have the magnetic field issue. You just plug it in.
River/Terran: How would you connect the mouse?
Brian: Yup, exactly.
Ben: Right.
Brian: Yup, you got it.
Ben: Which is like my computer downstairs. My main working computer has the external keyboard on it, which is probably better. Very good to know. Well, either way, I found an Apple power adapter extension cable and I’ll just get a couple of those for you boys right now. And that way, you’ll at least be grounded when you’re using your computers. Hooray. We learned something. Alright, cool.
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Alright, so what’s next?
Brian: Let’s go up to the bedrooms.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: And we can test the electric fields.
Ben: It’s a place where you sleep. That’s going to be super important.
Brian: Yeah.
River/Terran: So, I thought, dad, I [01:10:05] _____.
Ben: We can test those stones, yeah. Yeah. We’ve got some special stones up by his bed. Someone sent us that supposedly very similar to these devices or a Himalayan salt lamp, for example, are supposedly providing some type of protective effect.
Brian: Right. We’ll test all that stuff. We’ll test a bunch of things up in the bedrooms, too. We’ll get the RF readings, magnetic field readings.
Ben: Perfect.
Brian: Alright, guys. You ready?
River/Terran: Yeah.
Brian: Alright.
River/Terran: We’ve had one of these. Do these cause anything?
Brian: Oh, that is going to be really cool to test because we’ll test the light on that too, which sometimes those make a freaky, ghostly type sounds on my light meter. So, let’s put this on your pillow and tell me what number you get.
River/Terran: 0.31.
Brian: Okay. So, that’s good. Hey, last time I was here, you guys had bunk beds. You switched it around.
River/Terran: Yeah, yeah, we switched it.
Brian: And you got your lizard. Do you have a bearded dragon or what’s in there? Oh, yup, cool.
Ben: We can see how much EMF the bearded dragon produces.
River/Terran: Maybe the lamp’s producing–
Ben: Never know. Might be a mutant radiated dragon. Now, as you’re going through and testing this, are you also testing the lighting? Are you doing flicker analysis or is that something you do at a different time?
Brian: Yeah. Usually, I’ll do the flicker and the magnetic fields at the same time. When I do recordings like this to make it less confusing, I try not to jump around too much.
Ben: Yeah, yeah.
Brian: We’ll do a little spot.
Ben: You know best how your approach is going to come across on the podcast or the audio or the video. So, yeah. Let’s do the stuff that the audience is going to benefit the most from and be the least confused by as we go.
Brian: Actually, because we just talked about that light, the boys were wanting me to test their little orb light over here, so we will.
Ben: Oh, all sorts of little devices we can test here.
Brian: Yeah. So, first, we’ll test over by the window and I’ll just show you guys because we’re going to test flicker now.
Ben: We believe in this room, in the boys’ room, we at one time had a dirty electricity filter plugged into one of the outlets. Okay. So, there’s no longer a dirty electricity filter in this room. Well, there was at one time.
River/Terran: Yeah. There’s only [01:12:43] _____.
Brian: Okay. So, this meter, it does measure wireless frequencies, but it also has a setting for measuring flicker. It has this little solar receiving device. Looks like a mini solar panel on the back of the meter here. And so, you just point this towards the light source to test whether it’s flickering or not. And so, what do you guys think, is sunlight good or bad for you?
River/Terran: It’s good, sometimes. Both good and bad.
Ben: Good to a certain extent.
Brian: Yeah, good.
River/Terran: [01:13:22] _____.
Brian: Yeah. It’s good, right? It’s natural. It’s something that we’ve always had for all of human history, and we need it. I don’t know. Ben, you interviewed Dr. Wunsch before, right?
Ben: Alexander Wunsch, I have not–well, you know what, a long time ago, I think I did have a podcast with him on lighting.
Brian: Okay.
Ben: Interestingly, in three days, Matt Maruca, who I have interviewed quite a bit about lighting, he’ll be here at the house. He’s dropping in to record a podcast.
Brian: Cool.
Ben: But I’ve interviewed him about lighting. Alexander Wunsch some time ago. Another guy named Daniel Georgiev, who developed that Iris software about more lighting on backlit binding from monitors, from screens, et cetera. So, yeah. I have a few different lighting podcasts out there.
Brian: Cool. So, one of the things that Dr. Wunsch talks about, I think he’d talked about in an interview with Dr. Mercola, is that two-thirds of your ATP production comes from light, from the near-infrared wavelengths that you get from sunlight. Now, what I want you guys to think about is if you’re–this is–let’s see. I’m getting a little flux here. Let me see if there’s–okay. So, this is measuring the flickering of light. So, sunlight, this is what it sounds like. It sounds like just a hiss. There’s not much of anything, right? So, yeah. Let’s go ahead and turn that on. So, we got an incandescent source. Now, this bulb is running on 60 Hertz electricity. So, that’s 120 back and forth pulses per second where it’s giving the light electricity. It’s heating up the filament, and so it doesn’t cool down–it cools down in between those pulses and that’s the flickering that we’re hearing.
Ben: And so, this red incandescent light that the boys are using at night while they read, are you saying that that is producing this imperceptible flicker that could actually be deleterious to retinal function or mitochondria?
Brian: It can be stimulating. So, what I always like to go back to is what did we have in nature. And the only flickering light that you have in nature is if you can imagine being in a jungle with the sunlight coming through the leaves and you’re running. So, if you’re running–
Ben: Running from a jaguar.
Brian: If you’re running from a jaguar, this is the kind of flicker that you have, like this. I can’t do it as fast as what this light is going like–
Ben: Right. And so, is there a way to reduce the amount of flicker from a red incandescent light, for example?
Brian: If you switch to a DC source, you can.
Ben: And how would you switch to a DC source?
Brian: It’d be really hard to do that. You’d have to have a battery hooked up and know how to wire it right.
Ben: And so, if you were a little boy laying in bed, reading a book at night and you still wanted to be able to see your book, what do you think would be the very, very best solution for something like that?
Brian: Well, actually, if I could have one of your boys run downstairs on the table, there’s some light bulbs. There’s about three light bulbs, if you could grab those. So, we do have a solution for that. So, I love incandescent bulbs. They have a full spectrum of those healing wavelengths that we were just talking about, the near-infrared wavelengths from 600 to 1200 nanometers. But we also are concerned about the flicker. So, the spectrum is good on this bulb, but the flicker is something that’s a little bit problematic. So, at night in nature, we don’t have any blue light, right? We know that. So, we’re going to take this incandescent red bulb out and we’re going to put in this one. This is a red bulb that’s LED bulb, but it’s a special type of LED bulb that does not flicker, and it doesn’t have a full spectrum.
Ben: So, this is a special LED bulb that doesn’t produce flicker. And we’re actually getting less flicker from this than a red incandescent bulb.
Brian: Right.
Ben: So, you like these better than red incandescent?
Brian: I like them for nighttime.
Ben: For nighttime. What kind of bulb is this?
Brian: There’s two different brands that me and my team have tested. This one’s a Duracell brand that you can get from like battery and bulbs. It’s a red light. And there’s another brand called Sunlite non-dimmable bulbs that you can get on Amazon, and we recommend yellow, orange, and red bulbs, depending on what you’re going for and what people can tolerate. Some people don’t like just the red. They feel like they can’t see enough. I think it’s enough for reading and it’s the best because it blocks out the green and the blue.
Ben: And do you include something like that in your report, the change-up for the bulbs in the bedroom, for example?
Brian: Yup.
Ben: So, we’ll be able to just go through afterwards, look at your report and say, “Okay. We need to switch these bulbs out.” These incandescents that we thought were superior, which they might be for circadian rhythm, are also producing this imperceptible flicker that something like this LED lighting is not.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Yeah. And just looking at it, it doesn’t look guys a little bit softer, the light itself. Cool. Well, yeah. We’ll be doing some lighting switches, it looks like.
Brian: And so, just a caveat on that, the incandescent bulb is providing a full spectrum of wavelengths. This LED bulb is maybe 10 to 20 nanometers wide. So, it’s not providing healing wavelengths, but at night, we don’t really need those if we’ve gotten that during the day by being outside or you have some other kind of light therapy that you’re doing.
Ben: Right. So, as long as you’ve been out in the sunlight, you’re not going to get your full spectrum of light from something like a non-red incandescent bulb, but you’re also not going to produce that type of imperceptible flicker that is a concern unless it’s running off a DC current.
Brian: Right. Yeah. And so, you can actually tolerate more flicker during the day because you are out. Our ancestors were out hunting during the day and they are getting that flicker from the sunlight as they’re running after an animal or from an animal. Right. So, that’s one type of bulb. This bulb here is another constant, and these bulbs are called constant current bulbs. So, I have constant current technology. It converts the alternating current to a DC current in the bulb itself. So, this one is a bulb that is a white bulb, but we got about 2,700 Kelvin. And let’s see what’s there.
River/Terran: Whoa, that’s bright.
Brian: So, this one’s a bright–this is more like task lighting. So, this is something your dad might use downstairs when he’s working.
Ben: And this is also LED?
Brian: This is also an LED. So, what I like to–
Ben: That also is not producing the same amount of flicker. So, when we go down to my office, we should test and see, although now, it’s–what was that? Weird.
Brian: Sometimes infrared light does that. And one thing I have noticed when I’m testing different bulbs is the fixture is very important to test because sometimes, the fixture will make it so that it is flickering. And this one, in particular, this is a bulb that I use. At home, it’s an LED bulb that I tested, and at first, it had a really high flicker rate, but then after it warmed up a little bit, it went way back down. And since I’ve tested it at home in that fixture, I haven’t been able to test it anywhere else where the flicker died down. So, I don’t know if this is–yeah, this lamp, let’s see what does it say. It’s a max 9 watt LED bulb.
Ben: Taking furious notes here, even though I know you’d provide a pretty good report, there’s little things I’m jotting down there.
Brian: So, this one flickers a lot–
Ben: Super interesting.
Brian:–initially. And then, at my house, after about two minutes, it stops flickering, it dies down. So, I don’t know if that’s going to happen here or not, but I’m just going to leave this here while we test some other stuff and we’ll see if that changes at all.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: Alright. I can probably turn it down a little bit.
Ben: And these, by the way, and some company, like I said, we’re always getting these kind of like protective devices. This one is called a Tesla Rock Bag, stay protected against EMF, contains crystals with powerful healing benefits. There’s a Faraday cage. It says, “Place bag on floor to create a Faraday cage in your home, office, or on the go. The more bags, the greater the protection. Place one under the bed for improved dreams and deeper sleep.”
River/Terran: That’s what I do.
Ben: What say you, Brian? A Faraday cage full of another bag in it that has rocks in it.
Brian: Let’s say this bag–
Ben: An inner bag of what are called Pink Tesla Crystals.
Brian: I’ve never heard of that, but this bag itself is a Faraday cage, so I don’t know how you would–you don’t really create a Faraday cage unless you’re completely surrounded with a conductive material.
Ben: No. This very clearly says it creates a Faraday cage around your entire home or around one person.
Brian: Yeah, that’s what it says.
Ben: You mean just because it’s written doesn’t mean it’s true?
Brian: I guess.
Ben: Oh, gosh.
Brian: I know. I just can’t believe it. I thought everything we see on the TV and the media and written down–
Ben: I thought everything was–if it was written, it must be true because otherwise, how did it get published?
Brian: The authorities would never let that happen.
Ben: No. Interesting. Okay. And really, the only way to test this would be similar to what we did downstairs where you, whatever, you flip on a phone, you put this device between you and the phone and you see if the amount of radiation that you’re testing for your body’s radiation is just as high with this in front of you between you and the phone as if it were removed, for example.
Brian: Right. Yeah.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: It’s not going to be–
Ben: Should we try it?
Brian: We can try it.
Ben: Okay. Let’s try it. So, I’m going to set my phone down in front of this bag, phone, taking it out of airplane mode. Okay. And I’m going to stand here. And I’ve got this lav mic in a Faraday bag, so we’ll find out.
Brian: Yeah. I need to actually–it’s maxing out. I don’t want to blow up the meter. I’ve blown up meters–
Ben: Oh, wow.
Brian:–testing things like that before. So, this one’s my most sensitive one. So, I actually have to go down and grab another one.
Ben: We’re going to test it, Terran. We’re going to find out.
Brian: But what we can do in the meantime–
Ben: Have you gotten more lucid dreaming with that thing under your bed?
River/Terran: [01:24:17] _____.
Ben: You know it’s crazy, they sent me one too and I did put it behind my pillow, and I did dream more, but I don’t know if it was just the placebo effect of me subconsciously knowing that thing is under my pillow.
Brian: Right, right. It’s hard to tell sometimes.
Ben: I kept dreaming I was eating rocks, and then I wake up and the bag was empty.
Brian: Okay, guys. We’re going to do a little bit of a distraction here. We’re going to do electric fields, and I’m going to have you guys just test things around the room, and then when I come back, tell me what you found, okay? So, I need both of you–I’ve got two things that test electric fields, this and this. So, in order to test it, you have to actually be touching the grounding device. Okay? So, I’ll give that to you and you can have that one, and then if–
Ben: Do you have that grounding device plugged into the wall? Okay. So, it is grounded.
Brian: Yeah, that’s grounded, plugged into the wall there.
Ben: So, River, when you’re holding that thing, you are grounded.
Brian: So, you could test your brother, you can test where the cord is for the lamp, test everything–
Ben: Yeah. Just test things that are plugged in in your room.
Brian: You can use this to test, just hold the–
Ben: You can test Godzilla’s bulbs.
Brian: Just hold this down and you can test that, too. Okay? You can test using that meter. I’m going to go down and get some more equipment. I’ll be right back. You just have to press the button and test things. So, it has to have the sensitivity all the way up. See that button right there?
River/Terran: Oh, this button?
Brian: Yup. That’s it.
Ben: Let me get that on video. Brothers, your extensive meter testing showing any issues here? So, you’re grounded. You’re holding that so you’re grounded. Good, good, good. Uh-oh, Godzilla. So, what’s that tell you guys? If you were working at your desk over there all day and these lights were on behind you, you’re basically getting a bunch of electromagnetic radiation that is emitting over on your body while you’re over there working on your laptop. So, we should figure out what we could do to Godzilla’s bulbs to fix that. And I’m sure somebody here might know what to do about that.
Brian: We’ll figure it out. Yeah.
Ben: Hey, babe. We already found some pretty cool things about lighting. Yeah. Like these red incandescent bulbs, they’re actually producing like a lot of flicker, and there’s a better bold system we can use for some of these bulbs. Yeah. Like, for when the kids are reading at night and stuff. It’s the bulb. Yeah.
Brian: Okay. Yup. So, all the stuff that’s plugged in, right? Is that what you’re finding?
River/Terran: Yeah.
Brian: Alright. So, anything that’s plugged in, it’s bringing that electricity closer to your body. The ultimate test that we want to do is test your own body for this voltage. So, you guys are spending a lot of time sleeping in this room. This is your bedroom, so you sleep here for like–what, eight to nine, ten hours a night?
River/Terran: 9: 00 to 7: 00, usually.
Brian: Okay.
Ben: 9: 00 p.m. to 7: 00 a.m., that’s about how long you guys sleep, 9: 00 p.m. to 7: 00 a.m.
Brian: Alright.
Ben: Not getting up at 4: 00 a.m. to do morph yet.
Brian: I had one client in Texas. You know Ancestral Supplements company?
Ben: Oh, yeah, Brian.
Brian: Yeah, Brian Johnson. His boys, they get up in the morning, they do lunges, like I was there in the morning and they were all doing lunges around the room and they have a whole workout protocol.
Ben: Brian’s got an interesting protocol. He and his wife also do like a five-day strict fast every month that they begin with this super hardcore workout, and I think they end it with a super hardcore workout just to simulate what our hunter-gatherers would have experienced. There are certain things where I just–it just doesn’t sound like a pleasant way to live. I get it, but I’d just rather go hunting.
Brian: Yeah. They’ve got some–
Ben: They’re pretty extreme. The same guy who does the barbarian workout where he’ll take–this is the guy who sends me the liver supplements that I take from Ancestral Supplements. He has the barbarian workout where you hold two kettlebells and drag a sled for a mile loaded down with–I think the sled has 135 pounds on it. You’re holding two 70-pound kettlebells, 20-pound ankle weights, and a 70-pound backpack and you just go a mile. And apparently, everybody who works for that company has to do that test just to even be able to work for that company.
Brian: That’s awesome.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: Yeah. They just recently got done shielding a lot of their house. They just had moved last year.
Ben: River and Terran have workouts every single day, but not at 4: 00 a.m.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Unless you really want to.
River/Terran: I don’t.
Brian: Oh, you found something.
Ben: Uh-oh.
Brian: Oh, yeah. Real quick, let’s test that light because that’s one of the things we wanted to test. So, the different lights in the room. So, we got these lights, and let’s listen to it. Yeah. You can hear.
Ben: It’s almost like a miniature BioCharger, that thing. I should show you the BioCharger downstairs when I get there.
River/Terran: Oh, we should try [01:30:03] _____.
Ben: We know the BioCharger because there’s a ton of–
Brian: Listen to that.
Ben:–magnetic fields and electrical fields, but they’re supposed to be healing frequencies. Wow. Now, what would change if you were to, for example, plug that into a dirty electricity filter, or as you can see it’s not grounded, if you were to plug it into a grounding outlet, you think it’d be better?
Brian: Better on the flicker.
Ben: Better on the flicker or the amount of electrical field it’d produce.
Brian: The electric field, yeah. Actually, that looks like it’s USB powered. So, what’s interesting–
Ben: Which is better?
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: So, if something is powered by USB, it’s less problematic?
Brian: It can be. We just need to find something metal here. Here, you take that. I’m going to ground your body here.
Ben: By the way, important question for our videographer. If I take a pee, is it going to pick that up if I walk away down to the bathroom and take a pee? Are we going to pick that up on the video? Do I have a mute button on here?
Wilbur: Yes, you do.
Ben: Okay, good. Alright. Ladies and gentlemen, keep testing, proceed. Dad’s going to hit the mute on myself so I can go and take a quick leak here.
Brian: So, if I touch this–okay, you just need to touch that with your hand and then test it. So, the screw is not working on that. Let me just see about this. If I ground this, test this cord there.
River/Terran: Do I check [01:31:33] _____?
Brian: Yeah. Test the–but you need to ground your body, too.
River/Terran: Well, [01:31:39] _____ you touch it, too?
Brian: Yup. So, then test this cord right here with–yeah, test it with that, but touch this part. Yeah, there you go. Okay. So, we got this field over here that we’re getting from that.
River/Terran: [01:31:58] _____ this.
Brian: Yeah, here. Let me see. That versus–see? So, what we can do with this, because it’s USB powered, I’m going to turn that off for a minute, because it’s USB powered, you can plug that into an external power bank, and that’s a battery like you can use for your phone, you can use that to charge your phone. And then, anything that has a USB, it’s using DC current.
River/Terran: Let’s charge the phone.
Brian: Yeah, that would normally charge the phone, but see, it doesn’t have a grounding part. So, this is transforming the energy from the pulsating current to a smooth straight current where it doesn’t flicker, it’s not pulsating, and it’s running off of a battery. So, the earth is like a battery. It has DC, direct current, coming in one direction. Lightning, yeah. Lightning strikes are just the arc from the atmosphere going down to the lower ground potential, and then like flashing lightning. It’s like static electricity, like if you go down a plastic slide at a playground and then you touch your brother, you can shock him. But if he touches the ground first, you can’t shock him, right?
River/Terran: Yeah.
Brian: So, you have to stay on the plastic slide, and then the electricity goes to the lower ground potential.
River/Terran: [01:33:29] _____.
Brian: Have you ever done that with multiple people going down a slide? If you have a bunch of people go down like a big plastic slide and don’t touch the ground, and then you get that static electricity where your hair goes up. One time, I did that to my dad with my kids, with my girls, we were going down this huge slide, and at the bottom, I touched his nose and we could see a lightning bolt go like about three inches from my finger to his nose and he was like, “Oh, it hurt really, really bad.”
River/Terran: I’ve done it before.
River/Terran: You’re on beaches and you’re [01:34:08] _____.
River/Terran: I believe when [01:34:09] _____ you could see the electricity.
Brian: Yeah.
River/Terran: If you touch those, [01:34:17] _____ on top of it, you literally see electricity and you’re like shocked you can hear it.
Brian: Yup. That’s what happens, and that’s what happens with the sky. The sky builds up all this–it’s kind of like static electricity, and then when it builds up enough, it’s like the metal or the earth is kind of conductive. So, it will come down and it’ll transfer the energy back down. There’s a really cool YouTube video of these guys doing a slow-motion lightning bolt recording that I watched a few days ago.
Ben: Oh, wow.
Brian: It was really cool. That lightning would go to the side, and then all of a sudden, boom, it would have one big strike onto the ground.
Ben: Wow. Well, you guys should try to slow-mo film the BioCharger downstairs sometime, which will do like 1,000 lightning bolt strikes in a second. See if you can capture any of those on the camera.
Brian: That’d be fun. So, yeah. With this thing, anything that has a USB, I was telling them you can plug that into like one of those power bank chargers and then it just is running on DC.
Ben: Yeah. From what I understand, if you were, say, going to sleep all night with your phone charged yet in airplane mode next to your bed–off plugging into an external battery than, say, just into an outlet in the wall.
Brian: Yup, yeah.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: So, you plug that in and then you keep it on airplane mode, and then you can still–a lot of people use their phones as alarms, or in a shielded room. I do a lot of assessments for doctors and nurses that need to be on call. They can put that in the windowsill behind the shielded curtain, and then they can still receive phone call and be protected from the wiring signals.
Ben: Yeah. That’s a good idea. It’s a good idea. You just need like a good external battery for your phone that’ll last most of the night and keep it charged up, and then have your phone plugged into that instead of into the wall outlet. That’ll be a new one for a lot of people. A simple change, but it’s just that much less dirty EMF in the room.
Brian: And then, for lamps, there’s a little remote switch that we use. It’s got one Wi-Fi signal. Just when you press the button, it’ll turn off the power to the entire cord, and then you don’t have that electric field right next to you and you don’t have to keep on plugging lamps every single night.
Ben: Oh, that’s a good–will you include that in your recommendations?
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Amazing. Wow.
Brian: And you could do that for Godzilla, too.
Ben: Everything Brian recommends to us, because that actually–I reached out to Brian after reading Dr. Mercola’s new book “EMF*D” and I told him, “Look, I’ve decided that we will make an investment to go even more all-out than we have in the past with EMF.” So, we’re pretty much doing everything that Brian recommends on his report. We’re going to do soup to nuts in our house and just change everything. Every little thing that needs adjustment, we’re going to do it all. Dad’s been saving a little bit of money on the side to make sure that we can just take care of our whole house.
River/Terran: You’ve used the phrase “soups to nuts” the second time.
Ben: I like the phrase “soup to nuts.” We can think of something different. We’ll say, “soup to seeds,” yeah. Some people might have oxalate sensitivities and not want so many of the nuts. So, what are we testing now here?
Brian: So, this is the body voltage. That’s the same thing that we were measuring all around the room with the electricity wires.
Ben: So, this is where we’re going to test the bag now?
Brian: Yeah. Let’s see. The bag says, “Stay protected against EMF.” And here’s the issue with a lot of these devices. If they claim that they protect you from all kinds of EMF, wireless, electric fields, magnetic fields, geopathic stressors, that doesn’t make sense to me because every single one of those things has a different solution, a different way to mitigate.
Ben: Right. It’s like the fringe Amazonian superfood that says it’s going to cure cancer, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, everything.
Brian: Everything.
Ben: Yeah. To reduce all cause risk of mortality and your eyebrow goes up a little bit.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: And this even more so because it’s just like–it’s science. This is how you fix this issue. It’s a different way to fix the other issue. Yeah. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Ben: So, what’s your body voltage meter at right now, son, two-point–because I can put my cell phone on.
River/Terran: It’s like 170 to 180, but watch [01:38:31] _____.
Ben: And theoretically, if I switch my cell phone on–
River/Terran: If I touch [01:38:35] _____.
Brian: Yeah. We’ll just test everything here.
Ben: Okay. My cell phone’s off right now. Yeah. Well, the dog might be a little bit of a conductive material.
Brian: You’re going to put all these things measuring wireless frequencies.
Ben: Okay. So, we’re testing another EMF blocking device. And now, you want me to put my cell phone out of airplane mode?
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: And what we should see is nothing should really spike that much, right? Everything just goes through the roof. How is your body voltage though? Are you protected over there? Wait, let me see your body voltage because if your body voltage didn’t go up–well, see, now the device is not between you and the phone, right? So, that’s the idea is we’re testing–
River/Terran: Well, what happens if we turn Wi-Fi on?
Ben: You’ll see a significant increase if you flip the Wi-Fi signal on that on. So, what do you see in here, Brian?
Brian: I’ve seen a lot of frequencies.
Ben: But most of these are coming from the phone, yeah? Because I’ve put my phone into airplane mode. A lot of them dropped down.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Okay. And I’ll flip back off.
River/Terran: Yeah. Wow.
Ben: Hmm, I’m not seeing any change there.
River/Terran: Me neither. Well, actually, if you hold it to the back [01:40:11] _____.
Ben: Yeah. Okay. So, there’s a little bit of a block, but you’d have to have like a giant wall of this.
Brian: Yeah. You need this.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: Right here.
Ben: You need like a full on tent made out of that material.
Brian: Yeah. So, we’ve got a new or the first organic shielding fabric that’s coming out–
Ben: [01:40:32] _____?
Brian:–at the end of the month. This is not organic version; this is a prototype of just the–
Ben: Oh, this is [01:40:36] _____. You brought that up here?
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Oh, okay.
Brian: So, watch this.
Ben: This will be interesting. Oh, wow. See that? Now, that thing’s totally protected. So, if you were a person and you had that wrapped around your body, then that would be the game-changer right there, right?
Brian: Yeah. Here, let’s just put all of these things in here.
Ben: Oh, wow. So, one could get like a blanket made out of this type of shielding fabric?
River/Terran: And it’s soft, too.
Brian: Yeah. Blanket or–
Ben: This is pretty soft. I could sleep in that.
Brian: We do a canopy around the bed. You have a seamstress that sews these–
Ben: I don’t know if my wife’s going to go for that.
River/Terran: I’d go for it.
Ben: You guys could get a canopy.
Brian: There’s one company in the Bay Area, they’ll have these fabric walls and they just bought a bunch of the shielding fabric to do the walls and the fabric.
Ben: Yeah. Well, like I mentioned to you, if we wind up needing to do certain painting or fabric on the walls, like we’re going, I’m going to say it third time, soup to nuts on this thing.
River/Terran: You have that phrase memorized out into this podcast.
Brian: So, this is silver and cotton fabric.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: And it can be grounded, too.
Ben: You guys keep going. I’m going to press mute on my mic real quick because I have to listen to a quick audio voicemail that I got blasted with as we were testing that. So, I’ll be right back. You guys keep going.
Brian: Alright. So, you’re at 1.5. I also want to test the body current. Okay. We’ll turn some of these guys off. Okay. So, you got seven, four microamps. Touch that metal cage again. Okay. So, that’s conducting some current to your body when you touch that, but if you don’t touch it, then it’s not. So, have you lay up all the way up in your bed. Let’s see if there’s any difference with you guys up in your bed. It’s a little bit less, 2.3. We want this to be zero. This number, if it’s at 18, there’s some government studies that show it’s a carcinogenic level at 18 microamps. You’re way below that. You’re at like two to three.
River/Terran: Is that good?
Brian: It’s good. It’s better, but we want it to be at zero. If you’re out in nature, it’s going to be zero. There’s no pulsating alternating current. We might go outside later, yeah. And you’re two–a little over 2,000 millivolts, and then you’re almost up at 3,000. So, what I’m going to do is I’m going to plug this–I’m going to unplug this lamp and tell me if that goes down. I’m going to unplug it. It went down a little bit. So, you can unplug things in the room that helps. Is there something plugged in over there? Wow. Look at that. It went down to 1.2. So, it was like way, way higher. It went down to like half of what it was just from unplugging those two things. So, it’s still 1,200 millivolts. That’s still way higher than where we want to be. We want to be done at 10 millivolts and you’re at 1,200. So, if you imagine–
River/Terran: Let’s try unplugging Godzilla stuff for a second.
Brian: Yeah. His stuff’s over there, so you could unplug some of that. But if you think about–okay.
River/Terran: We got down to 0.8.
Brian: o.8, 0.7. Okay.
Ben: So, it looks like Godzilla’s going to need a little bit of an EMF upgrade here.
Brian: We might need to give him his own Faraday cage.
Ben: Yeah. Godzilla needs a Faraday cage.
Brian: So, he’s at like a 0.8. So, the rest of this is just coming from the wiring in the walls.
River/Terran: So, basically, Godzilla’s cage causes–
River/Terran: Yeah. Godzilla’s cage seems to cause–
Ben: So, we’ll include in the report some things we could do with that cage to make it safer.
Brian: Yeah. Well, essentially, what we want to do for the boys is we want to have some kind of grounding material underneath the bed to protect the voltage from traveling along the floor. It needs to kind of suck it up, suck up that voltage because right now, you’re like 8 or 900. You can just see where the voltage is coming from.
Ben: Wow.
Brian: Your body. And it’s all–oops, sorry. It’s coming from the wall here. This wall over here is really high. And now, watch what happens when–
Ben: And so, this is the whole night you guys are asleep, that… is going on right inside your cells.
Brian: Yeah. So, think about like our ancestors, they were out in nature and they were camping in caves and mud huts and stone structures that they built, and we didn’t have any electricity around them. So, it’d be like if you go camping and your dad pulls up to like a primitive campsite and then he says, “Oh, look, there’s an outlet right there,” plug in an extension cord after you pitch your tent, wrap that extension cord all the way around the tent, under the tent, up over the tent. Does that seem like a healthy place to camp after you do that?
River/Terran: That’s like a house kind of.
Brian: Yeah, that’s exactly like a house. That was actually where I was going next.
Ben: Yup.
Brian: So, that’s exactly what we’ve done in all of our modern homes is we’ve surrounded ourselves in this pulsating electricity, and all night long while we’re trying to sleep, our muscles are doing these micro contractions, just pulsing 120 times per second. What do you do at night? What’s nighttime?
River/Terran: Sleep time.
Brian: Sleep time for your body. What does your body do during sleep?
River/Terran: Regenerate.
Brian: That’s right. Yeah, it regenerates. So, are you going to be able to regenerate that well if your body’s constantly contracting?
River/Terran: Well, because [01:46:31] _____.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: So, the solution then would be to ground the beds, and also potentially include some type of a shielding fabric on the walls or around the beds.
Brian: Yeah. So, we have this conductive shielding paint that we recommend for the walls, and then curtains for the windows to block out all the frequencies.
Ben: Amazing.
Brian: Yeah. I mean, this is pretty sheer. Here, go ahead and pull that fabric up like it’s a curtain over the window, just the one that–
Ben: If you knew that your body was going to repair that much better while you were asleep, you probably would, right? Use something like this, because you still get some lighting in.
Brian: Yeah. Let’s see.
Ben: That’s not too bad. Like for nighttime, for example, especially, we could easily just have something like that that’s built into the curtain.
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: Yeah. You can sew it under the back curtains. You can use this as a sheer–
Ben: Maybe not quite as good of a view when you’re sleeping at night, but you’re asleep and your body will heal better. It’s a great idea.
Brian: So, one thing I would recommend actually on your guys–I hope you don’t mind, I’m going to stand on your beds but–like you can do a curtain, that’s great, but you also have these screens here already in place, and these are fiberglass. If these were a metal screen, that would help provide some extra shielding as well.
Ben: Right. Okay.
Brian: So, for a lot of people, if they have–especially if you have the metal trim on the windows on the outside, the metal screen replacement, if it’s a full screen like that, will help. And then, there’s also some people we recommend a window film. Here, it wouldn’t make as much sense because we got the wood trim. So, if you’re going to paint here, you’re not going to paint the wood trim. You just want to make sure the curtain covers that whole area because it’s essentially like you’re trying to create a shield, like if you take a submarine down in the water, you don’t want any leaks, right, because there’s all this pressure.
River/Terran: And it’s all ruined.
Brian: Right. So, if there’s a weak point that lets some of that in, if the EMF is like with the water, it’ll leak in, right? Yeah. In a submarine, you would die instantly. So, with this stuff, you want to think of it like you’re in a submarine and you’re trying to shield from water and the water is like the radio frequencies that are leaking in. It can come up from below, it can come up through a crack. You don’t want to try to get as good of a seal as possible.
Ben: With the important thing here being that, yeah, we can’t necessarily, as we’re living our lives in this modern world, protect ourselves anywhere and everywhere we go. But in a place where, for example, we’ll be spending preferably like a third of our lives asleep in bed, it makes sense that in those places where we can control, we should.
Brian: Definitely. Yeah. And it’s what I call the most important time because it’s when your body’s in what’s called a parasympathetic state. You’re in this restful state, in this reparative mode. And so, when you’re sleeping, when you’re eating, you’re supposed to be in a parasympathetic state so your body can digest, and your vagus nerve tells all of your organs to relax and produce these digestive juices, whether it’s hydrochloric acid, bile, or pancreatic enzymes, whatever it is. That vagus nerve needs to be relaxed so that your body can actually digest its food and you can get the food moving through and the peristalsis and relaxation of the entire digestive system. So, sleeping, eating, and then also detoxing. So, when you’re detoxing, that’s actually a parasympathetic process. Your body prioritizes detox when it’s able to not be perceiving external threat.
Ben: Which is important, for example, something like a sauna because a lot of people will go into a sauna for some of the detoxification that occurs for the skin.
Brian: Yes.
Ben: And so, you’d want to make sure that your sauna is also not getting blasted with EMF or ELF.
Brian: Yes, that’s right.
Ben: Okay. Yeah. It’s the wiring in the walls.
Brian: There you go. So, let’s do this test. Have dad hold this.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: And then, you guys have one of you touch the wall here, and then you hold his hand, alright?
Ben: Okay. So, what am I at? 1.65.
Brian: Alright.
River/Terran: We can let go?
Brian: Yeah, you can let go.
Ben: Wow. Amazing.
Brian: See that?
Ben: So, even people can act as antennae.
Brian: Yeah. So, that electricity is slowing through your–
Ben: That’s more appropriately conductors?
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Wow. Crazy.
Brian: So, that’s why it’s important to have a grounded barrier between you and the electricity because it won’t come out of the wall. When all of this is shielded and grounded, this wall will be zero.
River/Terran: You can touch the wall and it’d be like at zero.
Brian: Yeah, the wall will be zero. There’s not going to be anything emanating from the wall.
Ben: So, that’s what we’re going to do guys. We’re going to shield and ground you. So, while your precious bodies are asleep, they’ll be–we’ll either do the paint or we’ll do the shielding fabric, or we’re just going to do whatever Brian recommends on his final walkthrough analysis.
River/Terran: Okay.
Ben: So, yeah.
Brian: Here, it’ll probably be a combination because you guys got these nice wood floors and trim.
Ben: We’ll take care of Godzilla, too. And you know what’s cool?
Brian: No.
Ben: Is even the dogs are going to like it because the dogs sleep in here. Pets get exposed to EMF, too.
River/Terran: Yeah.
Ben: That’s right. Wow. Lots of stuff.
Brian: Cool. So, this is going to be the same in every room, but we’ll go and we’ll just see what’s going on in mom and dad’s room, too.
Ben: Yeah. So, we won’t necessarily do like a full video audio walkthrough of every single room because we’ll be rinsing, washing, and repeating in each room, but we’re going to show you guys, as you’re listening and watching, some of the more important things, and we’ll also do a little bit in the–I think the office is going to be a big one, probably the office, the gym, and then some of those little things, the smart meter, solar panel. So, yeah.
Brian: Actually, let’s go do some of that stuff now, and then we can always–
Ben: Yeah. Well, actually, since we’re up here already, we should go into the master bedroom because I think a lot of people use all sorts of sleep biohacking devices like I do, and I think we should test what either some of these wearables are doing, things that you wear when you’re asleep, and also things that you have on while you’re asleep. So, let’s do that.
Brian: Cool.
Ben: Need help carrying some of this stuff?
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Alright. Hey, boys, let’s all pitch in and carry all this stuff into the master bedroom. Do we have enough lighting in here? Is this alright? Alright. So, a few of the main things that I think would be interesting for folks is, A, there are certain things that run during the night that I think would be useful to test. And I’ll run through them. An essential oil diffuser, which is often running right here beside the bed and will run for six to eight hours during a night of sleep. B, a PEMF mat that emits a delta or a theta frequency during the entire night while one is asleep. C, a chiliPAD that circulates cold water under the bed while you’re asleep. For your temperature, that’s also something that is plugged in. D, this device from this company called Blushield that supposedly, when plugged in and running next to the bed at night, protects one from many of these frequencies, which we can test with it on and off.
And then, finally, in the realm of wearables, I think there are two things that would be interesting to test. This is called a Dreem headband that is measuring EEG signals while one is asleep, relatively new device that I just started experimenting with, that I think would be super interesting to see what exactly it’s doing to the head while one is asleep. And I think those would be some of the biggies.
Brian: Cool. Alright.
Ben: Have you already tested an Oura ring, by the way? When that thing’s in airplane mode, is it pretty good to go?
Brian: Yup.
Ben: If you’re wearing one, I assume.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Yeah. So, as long as you have your Oura ring in airplane mode, it’s a moot point. I always just switched at airplane mode pretty much all the time now unless you’re downloading data from it.
Brian: Yeah. That’s how I use it, too. That’s been like an invaluable tool for doing this work. The people that have them, they notice a big difference after shielding.
Ben: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Grab the boys. We’ll come back in. Hey, guys, come on in and join us. And then, of course, my wife’s side of the bed where there’s nothing.
Brian: Right. So, you’ve got a grounding mat installed, too.
Ben: Where? Oh, yes, I forgot. There is this mattress by this company–it’s a mattress topper. A company called Anti-Aging Mattress sent it up, and supposedly, it’s grounded and it’s lined with negative ion generating minerals. And so, that thing’s on the bed as well.
Brian: Okay. So, is that under–
Ben: There’s a lot going on here.
Brian: Is that under the mattress here or is it under the sheets?
Ben: That is topping the mattress right underneath the top sheets.
Brian: Underneath the top sheets. Okay.
Ben: And the chiliPAD and the other PEMF mat are also underneath the top sheets. So, welcome to the bedroom of a biohacker.
Brian: We need an infographic that explains the layers.
Ben: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Brian: First thing we’ll test is magnetic fields. And then, we can just have–okay. So, let’s turn on everything that you have running at night that’s besides the–
Ben: Okay. So, what we’re going to do is we’re going to put the chiliPAD on, boom. Okay, that’s running. So, a little bit of an uptick there, maybe not too much. And then, the BioBalance PEMF mat. And I’m going to flip that onto sleep mode. Okay, and play. Okay. So, that one’s running. Essential oil diffuser, on. Okay. Everything’s on.
Brian: Okay. We need a volunteer, small volunteer.
River/Terran: Okay.
Brian: Alright. Have you hop on the bed there, and then just hold that. Okay. So, this is the same meter that we had over here, but it’s got an audio sound here. So, it looks like you’re at about 1,000 millivolts with the bed, diffuser. The chiliPAD looks like it’s far enough away that like right up on it, there’s going to be a magnetic field, right?
Ben: Right.
Brian: So, people shouldn’t have those underneath their bed.
Ben: Right. So, the chiliPAD controller shouldn’t be underneath the bed.
Brian: Yeah. But you’ve got slightly elevated magnetic field here on the side, but it’s not really a concern. And then, the electric fields are pretty high. And we’ll see where that’s coming from here.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: So, I’m going to–actually, just hold your hand on there like that. Okay. So, 1,200 millivolts. I’m going to take this and just see where the voltage is coming from. Okay? So, this is just measuring. So, we got some voltage coming from the diffuser right here next to the bed.
Ben: Yup.
Brian: Some other from the wall.
River/Terran: How about right there?
Brian: Down here. Looks like he’s got a grounded–that’s a grounded power strip, right?
Ben: Yeah, grounded power strip. One of those–though I think I may have gotten that from either low EMF or–
Brian: Yeah, yeah.
Ben: Yeah. One of the modified Belkin grounded power strips.
Brian: Yup. Those are good. This right here is creating–
Ben: That’s a Blushield. That’s supposedly blocking EMF, but what you’re finding is it’s producing a lot.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Very interesting.
Brian: Producing a lot alternating current electricity. It’s plugged in–
Ben: But once again, we’re finding a personal protective device that’s supposed to be blocking a lot of these fields is producing more than it’s actually blocking.
Brian: Yeah, it’s producing the electric fields there. And also, it’s got a light on it that flickers, I know.
Ben: Oh, the other one is the air filter. We should get that going, too.
Brian: Oh, yeah. I think we already figured out how to disable the Bluetooth on that, right?
Ben: Yup.
Brian: So, I have a recent video on that you could put in the shownotes for people that have a Molekule.
Ben: Does it stay disabled when you turn it off and then turn back on, or you have to re-disable it?
Brian: It does just stay disabled from my testing.
Ben: Okay. I’m going to check here.
Brian: Okay. That was the Blushield flicker.
Ben: It’s a Blushield. What if it were moved farther away from the bed, do you think that there would be any pros?
Brian: Yeah. If it’s creating some unmeasurable field that I am not able to detect with my meters, I don’t know.
Ben: Right.
Brian: I just know I’m able to–
Ben: Well, you know if that close to the bed, it’d definitely be an issue.
Brian: Yeah. And I’m able to detect the electric fields that it’s creating, and also the dirty electricity that it creates from the pulsed modulation, which is usually, it can be mitigated with a little plug and filter pretty easily. Alright. So, yeah.
Ben: I forget where the setting is here to check for that.
Brian: Oh, yeah. We should get this on video here. People can just see it.
Ben: Okay. The Molekule air filter, these things are pretty popular. So, how do you actually ensure that the Bluetooth is disabled on it?
Brian: You have to wait for it to go to this off-screen. Wow, you got like a–is that a special screen or did you put the film on there? Because it’s not as bright.
Ben: I think I’ve got the–no, it’s in dark mode.
Brian: So, you just hold it for what seems like forever. Sometimes it’s been like 15 seconds, sometimes it’s like 30 seconds. Then it comes up. It says, “Tap to disable connectivity.”
Ben: So, then you just tap it once?
Brian: You just tap it.
Ben: And confirm.
Brian: It says “disable”, and then you hit “confirm.”
Ben: Wow. Good to know. And then, it’ll reboot. So, it wasn’t disabled. So, perhaps it got unplugged since the last time you were here or whatever, but that’s important for people to know.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: So, that way, you disable its ability to be able to like be controlled from your phone or whatever, but it’s also got the Bluetooth disabled on it now.
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Okay. So, you’re comfortable with these type of air filters. If that’s disabled, you haven’t found them to be that problematic?
Brian: Yeah, definitely not. I mean, if you have a small room, things like that can be more problematic because you have to have it real close to the bed. But I mean, as you can see, this thing is on auto right now.
Ben: Yeah. Nothing. That’s good to know. What about this essential oil diffuser?
Brian: So, that little bit of a field coming out of it from right there.
Ben: So, theoretically, this should also be something–an ideal scenario would be like way over here far away from the bed.
Brian: Yeah. In a shielded room, we really want things to be–we’ve got–like see, we’ve even got–that field from that cord is coming all the way out to here.
Ben: Wow. So, if I turn this off like that–
Brian: It’s still coming up because the electricity is in the cord.
Ben: Just by nature of it being plugged in?
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Okay. So, then if we unplug it like this–
Brian: Now, it’s a lot still closer.
Ben: Still getting something.
Brian: It’s going to get from–
Ben: Maybe this.
Brian: Maybe. Let’s see.
Ben: Okay. This is the PEMF device. Now, there are two cables coming from it.
Brian: So, those cables aren’t really much higher than the thing, so I’m wondering if it converts it to DC possibly.
Ben: Yeah. Apparently, they have an EMF blocker like built into this thing. That’s a converter.
Brian: So, the point is we got high fields coming from the wall.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: That’s the highest–
Ben: It seems like the wall is producing the most amount.
Brian: And usually, what we–
Ben: Because when I turned the diffuser off then on, it didn’t seem to affect it too much.
Brian: Right. Yeah. Just being plugged in was the big issue with that.
Ben: Yeah.
Brian: So, what we normally do is we’ll–
Ben: But even this, for example, could ideally be plugged into a different area of the bedroom that was farther away from the bed, right?
Brian: Yeah, yeah. And if you have a room that’s shielded, you have anything that you have plugged in, you just want to make sure that it’s close to a wall.
Ben: Or I can just switch to burning an incense stick instead.
Brian: Switch to burning incense. Anything that’s not electrical is good. If you can switch it to a battery that has a USB, that’s good.
Ben: Oh, yeah, good point.
Brian: So, you might be able to find a diffuser that’s able to be [02:03:59] _____ battery.
Ben: Oh, there’s lots of diffusers that are USB powered.
Brian: Yup. So, you could do that.
Ben: You might need to take notes here. Are you going to put this on the final recommendations list?
Brian: We’ll have it all on the record–
Ben: Alright, cool. I know a lot of listeners are going to be concerned too and they’ll be like, “How do you even remember all this when you’re going through the whole analysis?”
Brian: It can get overwhelming real quick, but you just have to know that we’ve got your back.
Ben: Okay. Alright. Oh, and then the other thing was–let’s test at least one wearable device. Okay. So, this is a Dreem headband that supposedly, very similar to like an Oura ring, does not emit appreciable amounts of radiation once it’s been activated and then has been placed into like sleep mode. So, if I flip this on and it says “pairing with headband”, and obviously, it’s going to produce some amount of EMF we know. We won’t even be able to measure how it is right now. Okay. So, headband is paired. And then, if I were to, for example, go here and say–okay, I’m going to settle down for a night of sleep, start my night of sleep, my sleep session is starting, and then I’m going to take my phone, turn it out of Bluetooth mode. So, supposedly, this thing is no longer transmitting to my phone. And then, put it on like this. So, theoretically, this thing’s on my head all night long.
Brian: Okay.
Ben: Let’s see what it does.
Brian: So, in order to test this accurately, we’re going to need to bring you into a zone that’s free of wireless radiation to make sure that it’s not transmitting. And so, to do that, we’re actually going to need to get–we need to check the email to see if Dr. Mercola emailed back about the tent, but we need to set up the tent and have you go in there and then I’ll test because we have too much interference right now.
Ben: What about if we just go outside [02:06:00] _____?
Brian: We still got the towers, yeah.
Ben: Alright, cool. So, we’ll set this aside. We’ll test it later.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Okay. Alright. I’m just going to leave it. I’m going to leave it running because you can see it’s running right now.
Brian: Okay. Let’s test the flicker on the little thing because that’s probably–it’s battery-operated, so [02:06:17] _____.
Ben: Probably, it’s pretty active, or pretty accurate EEG analysis of sleep, but I just started experimenting with it. So, I’m curious, if I’m wearing this thing on my head all night long–
Brian: What is that flickering? Something’s flickering. Maybe it is that. Oh, there’s infrared maybe. Yeah, it’s got the flicker.
Ben: Wow.
Brian: So, there’s flicker from the–
Ben: But that flicker is not being perceived by my retina, potentially the photoreceptors on the skin here, but how big of an issue do you think that is?
Brian: That’s the thing is I don’t know. I think that there’s been a lot of studies that show flickering light can be beneficial with photobiomodulation at specific frequencies.
Ben: Yeah, that’s true. I wonder what frequency it is. We could probably find out from the company.
Brian: Yeah. Actually, if we test it–
Ben: Interesting.
Brian: We could probably test it with this, the frequency around–
Ben: 460 nanometers.
Brian: 100 Hertz.
Ben: 100 Hertz. Okay.
Brian: We got some interference from the light.
Ben: Yeah. It looks like [02:07:45] _____ frequency.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Interesting. Alright. So, we’ll remember. I’ll bring this one downstairs. We can test this one when we open up the special EMF blocking tent if we want to test it inside of that.
Brian: Yup.
Ben: Okay. Alright. So, anything else you want to show people in the bedroom before we go show them the smart meter, solar panel, a few of the other sexy things that we haven’t got a chance to show people in the last show?
Brian: Let me think here. Looks like–got the magnetic fields. We already tested a lot of this stuff last time. The concern was–oh, let’s see what happens when we unplug the ground with the body voltage meter.
Ben: Okay.
Brian: That’s one thing we should test, because a lot of people have grounding mats that they sleep on, and I want to show what’s going on with that.
Ben: Right. Which is technically what this is that I’m on.
Brian: Yeah. So, yeah. So, the grounding mat is underneath the sheet and–hey, River, [02:08:52] _____.
Ben: [02:08:52] _____ guinea pig fellas.
Brian: We need you on the bed here.
River: Okay.
Brian: Alright. So, I’m going to just unplug the grounding mat and we’ll see what the reading does here. Alright.
Ben: So, you’re on top of the bed. The bed has a grounding mat on it. And Brian is now going to unplug the grounding mat.
River: Oh, it went up.
Ben: It went up.
Brian: So, you see how that goes up?
Ben: Yeah. So, the grounding mat is offering some protective effect.
Brian: It is showing an effect on there. So, the question with grounding mats is because it’s–it’s covering the whole bed, right?
Ben: Right.
Brian: So, if it’s a grounded barrier between you and the electric field, if most of the electric fields are coming from down below, then it’s blocking all those from coming up. But also, if there’s electric fields on the wall, which we know there is, then it’s also coming down. So, what we want to do is we want to test. This also tests electric fields, as does this one. So, if we measure a wall like that, 24 volts per meter on the wall right there floating, and then plug that back in, now it’s 26 coming out of there. So, now that now it’s grounded–
Ben: [02:10:45] _____ seeing as much coming from this wall. Is it from the boys’ wall?
Brian: So, this thing has to be grounded to test that, so let’s see that.
Ben: Could be. That’s why that shielding paint will be important, shielding paint or shielding fabric, one of the two.
Brian: It’s 1,300, then we’re going to plug it back in the ground. So, I’m going to explain this in a minute, but it’s important thing to understand. So, you’re still getting a lot. What’s going on when we ground, when we have a grounding mat underneath the bed, if your body’s in direct contact with it, you’re grounded as well. And so, the voltage is looking for the lowest ground potential. So, just like how lightning strikes things that are conductive when it’s closer to it, that’s why you have lightning rods. The electricity travels through that to the ground, the rod to the ground.
So, when you have electricity around you and you’re grounded, the electricity doesn’t just magically disappear or bounce off you, it actually goes through your body to the ground. And what we’re seeing on this meter is when there’s a grounding mat down, it appears that the reading is going down, but what’s actually happening is the electricity is taking the path of least resistance. That’s how voltage works. It always goes to the lowest voltage potential. So, the path of least resistance then, when the grounding mat is on there, becomes not through the meter because right now it’s through the meter, but when the grounding mat’s on there, the path of least resistance is to your body through the ground.
Ben: Through your body. So, ideally–
Brian: It transfers voltage through the body.
Ben:–if you have a grounding mat, it’s going to be worse for you unless you’ve also shielded the wall or the other source is coming in.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Wow.
Brian: The best thing ideally is to remove the electricity and then ground. So, you have the grounded barrier between the electricity and your body, and then you can safely ground. That’s the best way to ground. Whether it’s better to ground with electricity around or not ground at all with electricity around, that is up in the air.
Ben: Right. But ideally, you ground and at the same time eliminate as many of these sources of electricity with things like shielding fabric or shielding paint or the curtains, et cetera.
Brian: Yeah.
Ben: Cool.
Brian: You’re trying to recreate that caveman environment again.
Ben: Alright, we’re going to turn this bedroom and your guys’ bedroom, guys, into a caveman room. So, guys, what we’re going to do next is we’re going to test a couple of other things before we take a lunch break. I think we probably got time to maybe test the–what should we do, a smart meter one?
Brian: Yeah. We can do the smart meter.
Ben: Alright. We’ll do smart meter and then we can save some other stuff for after lunch. Let’s see.
Brian: So, this one, there’s a little story behind this, right, because–
Ben: Well, I was gone this summer and we didn’t have this style of meter, and then I came home from one of my trips and this just had just magically appeared. And I assume, based on what I know about meters, that this is indeed a smart meter, or appears to be. And I had requested whether or not they could remove it, and obviously, there’s a hefty charge and a monthly fee to remove it. And so, now, what I want to determine is should I be paying to remove this smart meter, or is it really not presenting that much of an issue when it comes to our personal health indoors with this being where it’s at out here?
Brian: Right. Now, right on the other side, this is the kitchen. Is that right?
Ben: On the other side of this is actually the garage.
Brian: Garage, okay. So, smart meters, they operate around 900 megahertz usually. Different areas, there’s some literature that says it goes up to 2.4 gigahertz as well, but I’ve measured mostly all 2.4 gig, or I mean, 900 megahertz. So, yeah. With this, let me see. So, this is measuring–there’s several issues with smart meters. They pulse a radio frequency. They produce a magnetic field because there’s lots of current going through them. All the electricity and current is flowing through them. So, if the other side of this wall was a bed or something like that, that can be problematic because your bed’s right against this like 20, 30 milligauss reading. So, you don’t want to be close to a magnetic field that would probably–
Ben: But this isn’t going to broadcast like 100 feet way up into the bedroom or something like that?
Brian: No.
Ben: Okay. So, this smart meter being out here where it’s at, if this were someone else’s home and they had a bedroom on the other side of this, it’d would be an issue. But if this thing’s way out here on the outside of the house out by the garage, it’s less problematic?
Brian: Yeah, less problematic from a magnetic field standpoint. So, that’s one issue. Then it also is producing the radio frequency pulse. So, there’s a little something. I don’t know if that’s
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[Transcript] – Hunting Down EMF In Your Office, Bedroom, Gym & Beyond: Is Your Home’s “Dirty Electricity” Wrecking Your Sleep, Your Recovery, Your Health & More? The Official Ben Greenfield & Brian Hoyer Low-EMF Home How-To.
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